Find the root of integral equation

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The discussion revolves around solving an integral equation involving a variable α that appears both within the integral and in its limits. The equation is presented as an integral with specific bounds and parameters, where the goal is to find the root corresponding to a given independent variable d.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of using iterative methods to solve for α, considering the complexity introduced by its presence in both the integral and the limits. There are inquiries about the applicability of differentiation with respect to α and the use of methods like Newton-Raphson. Some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the necessary mathematical concepts.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches to tackle the problem. Some guidance on iterative methods has been provided, but there is no explicit consensus on a definitive method or solution. Questions remain regarding the foundational concepts and alternative approaches to finding the root without an initial trial value for α.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge posed by the dual appearance of α in the integral and its limits, which complicates the problem-solving process. There is also a mention of a lack of prior experience with similar numerical problems, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge among some participants.

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Homework Statement


Hi everyone.
I have encountered a weird equation while doing some research and I have no idea how to solve it.
The equation goes like this

∫ dR / (1+ c*r) ^ (a/r) = d, limits of integration are from 0 to Rmax,
where Rmax ^2 = ^2 - α^2, where u is a constant value of r.
and r^2 = R^2 + α^2,
c is a constant and d is my independent variable.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I want to do a C function that takes one value of d and returns a value of α. I thought of doing
∫ (1 / (1+ c*r) ^ (a/r) ) - d = 0 and try to find the root, or do minimization. The problem is that α also appears on the limits of integration, and even if it wasn't there, I still don't know how to do either.
Also, for any value of d, there is a value of α, but r changes from r = α to r= u.

I would appreciate any help. Thanks
 
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Even though alpha appears both inside the integral and in the limit, you can differentiate wrt alpha. That allows you to use standard iterative methods: given a trial alpha, find the resulting d, calculate the error and use the derivative to estimate an adjustment to alpha.
... and it will have the standard pitfalls.
 
Could you refer me to sources where they explain more on the iterative methods that can do this sort of problem? I have no experience in finding a numerical value for an unknown that appears inside an integral (and inside the limits for that matter)
 
TheSource007 said:
Could you refer me to sources where they explain more on the iterative methods that can do this sort of problem? I have no experience in finding a numerical value for an unknown that appears inside an integral (and inside the limits for that matter)

A basic method when you know the derivative function is Newton-Raphson. See e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_method.
You understand how to expand ##\frac d{dx}\int^{f(x)}g(x, z).dz##, right?
 
haruspex said:
You understand how to expand ##\frac d{dx}\int^{f(x)}g(x, z).dz##, right?
Is that just the fundamental theorem of calculus?

And also, is there any method to find the root that does not involve a first trial of alpha?
Thanks
 
TheSource007 said:
Is that just the fundamental theorem of calculus?
It's a little more complicated because x is in two places.
And also, is there any method to find the root that does not involve a first trial of alpha?
Thanks
No.
 

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