Find the sum of the first 17 terms of the arithmetic series

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The discussion revolves around finding the sum of the first 17 terms of a specific arithmetic series defined by the terms \(8+\sqrt{7}\), \(6\), and \(4-\sqrt{7}\). Participants explore various methods and formulas related to arithmetic series, including the common difference and general term, while attempting to derive the sum.

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  • One participant presents the initial problem and attempts to formulate the sum using a specific equation.
  • Another participant requests clarification by asking for the original question as given.
  • A participant identifies the common difference \(d\) as \(- (2 + \sqrt{7})\) and provides the general term for the series.
  • Another participant elaborates on the sum of the series, expressing it in terms of the first term and common difference, and derives a formula for \(S_n\).
  • Subsequent posts reiterate the formula for \(S_{17}\) and suggest simplifying the expression through distribution and combining like terms.
  • One participant provides a specific value for \(S_{17}\) as \(\sqrt{7} + 104\).
  • Another participant presents a different calculation for \(S_{17}\), yielding \(-17(8 + 7\sqrt{7})\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the final value of \(S_{17}\), as participants present differing results and methods for calculation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the sum of the series.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the arithmetic series, including the definitions of the first term and common difference, which may affect the calculations. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly in the simplification process.

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Find the sum of the first 17 terms of the arithmetic series

$$8+\sqrt{7}, \ 6,\ 4-\sqrt{7}$$
$$u=8+\sqrt{7}$$
$$S_{17} =\frac{u\left(1-\frac{{6}^{17}} {u} \right)}{u}$$

My first shot at this
 
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Can you post the question as given?
 
Find the sum of the first 17 terms of the arithmetic series
 
Common difference, $d$: $-(2+\sqrt7)$

General term: $a_k=a_1+d(k-1)$

Sum: $\dfrac k2(a_1+a_k)$
 
We may write:

$$S_n=a_1+a_2+a_3+\cdots+a_{n-2}+a_{n-1}+a_{n}$$

Since we have an AP, and if we write the common difference as $d$, we may rewrite this as:

$$S_n=a_1+(a_1+d)+(a_1+2d)+\cdots+(a_1+(n-3)d)+(a_1+(n-2)d)+(a_1+(n-1)d)$$

By the commutative property of addition, we may rewrite this as:

$$S_n=(a_1+(n-1)d)+(a_1+(n-2)d)+(a_1+(n-3)d)+\cdots+(a_1+2d)+(a_1+d)+a_1$$

Adding these two equations, by corresponding terms, we obtain:

$$2S_n=n(2a_1+(n-1)d)$$

$$S_n=\frac{n}{2}(2a_1+(n-1)d)$$

This is equivalent to the formula given by greg1313.

In the given problem, we know:

$$a_1=8+\sqrt{7},\,d=-(2+\sqrt{7}),\,n=17$$
 
$$S_{17}=\frac{17}{2}
\left(2\left(8+\sqrt{7}\right)
+\left(17-1\right)
(-\left(2+\sqrt{7}\right)) \right)$$

Hopefully
 
karush said:
$$S_{17}=\frac{17}{2}
\left(2\left(8+\sqrt{7}\right)
+\left(17-1\right)
(-\left(2+\sqrt{7}\right)) \right)$$

Hopefully

You will want to simplify by distributing/combining like terms, etc. :)
 
$S_{17}=\frac{17}{2}
\left(2\left(8+\sqrt{7}\right)
+\left(17-1\right)
(-\left(2+\sqrt{7}\right)) \right)=\sqrt{7}+104$
 
I get:

$$S_{17}=-17(8+7\sqrt{7})$$
 

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