Find the value of the definite integral

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the definite integral $$\int_0^2 \sqrt{(8t^2+16t+16)} dt$$, focusing on integration techniques and transformations. Participants explore methods such as completing the square and trigonometric substitutions in the context of definite integrals.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss completing the square and making substitutions to simplify the integral. There are mentions of different cases for integrals involving square roots and the potential use of trigonometric or hyperbolic substitutions. Some participants express curiosity about handling more complex integrals, such as cubic or quartic forms.

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The discussion includes various approaches to the integral, with some participants suggesting specific substitutions and transformations. There is a mix of exploration of techniques and expressions of uncertainty regarding more complex integrals, indicating an ongoing dialogue without a clear consensus on a single method.

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Participants note the relevance of hyperbolic functions and the challenges posed by cubic and quartic integrals under roots, suggesting a broader context of integration techniques being explored.

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Homework Statement
$$\int_0^2 \sqrt{(8t^2+16t+16)} dt$$
Relevant Equations
Integration
Looking at integration today...i will go slow as i also try finish other errands anyway; i am thinking along these lines;

$$\int \sqrt{(ax^2+bx+c)} dx=\sqrt{a}\int \sqrt{\left[x+\frac{b}{2a}\right]^2+\left[\frac{4ac-b^2}{4a^2}\right]} dx$$

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Therefore,

$$\int_0^2 \sqrt{(8t^2+16t+16)} dt=\sqrt8\int_0^2[\sqrt{[(t+1)^2+1^2} ]dt$$

Let ##u=t+1## then ##du=dt##

$$\sqrt8\int_0^2[\sqrt{u^2+1} ]du$$
 
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Completing the square is the right idea, but don't treat the general case. The substitution depends on what is left after making a linear change of variable and extracting a positive common factor. That leaves three cases to consider: <br /> \begin{split}<br /> \int \sqrt{X^2 + C^2}\,dX &amp; \Rightarrow X = Cf_1(u) \\<br /> \int \sqrt{X^2 - C^2}\,dX &amp; \Rightarrow X = Cf_2(u) \\<br /> \int \sqrt{C^2 - X^2}\,dX &amp; \Rightarrow X = Cf_3(u)<br /> \end{split}
 
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chwala said:
$$\int_0^2 \sqrt{(8t^2+16t+16)} dt=\sqrt8\int_0^2[\sqrt{[(t+1)^2+1^2} ]dt$$
chwala said:
Let ##u=t+1## then ##du=dt##
$$\sqrt8\int_0^2[\sqrt{u^2+1} ]du$$
This integral is ripe for a trig substitution.
 
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:smile::cool::cool: aaaaaaahahaha...seen it @Mark44

Thanks to our physics forum in particular;... recent study of hyperbolic functions... I'll post my working later...we shall integrate ##\sinh^2x ##wrt ##x## ...arrive at solution ##12.64##...
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement: $$\int_0^2 \sqrt{(8t^2+16t+16)} dt$$
Relevant Equations: Integration

Looking at integration today...i will go slow as i also try finish other errands anyway; i am thinking along these lines;

$$\int \sqrt{(ax^2+bx+c)} dx=\sqrt{a}\int \sqrt{\left[x+\frac{b}{2a}\right]^2+\left[\frac{4ac-b^2}{4a^2}\right]} dx$$

...
Therefore,

$$\int_0^2 \sqrt{(8t^2+16t+16)} dt=\sqrt8\int_0^2[\sqrt{[(t+1)^2+1^2} ]dt$$

Let ##u=t+1## then ##du=dt##

$$\sqrt8\int_0^2[\sqrt{u^2+1} ]du$$

If t is between 0 and 2, then u = 1 + t is between 1 and 3.
 
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Therefore,

$$\int_0^2 \sqrt{(8t^2+16t+16)} dt=\sqrt8\int_0^2[\sqrt{[(t+1)^2+1^2} ]dt$$

Let ##u=t+1## then ##du=dt##

$$\sqrt8\int_1^3[\sqrt{u^2+1} ]du$$

Let ##u=\sinh x ⇒du=\cosh x dx ##

$$\sqrt8\int_1^3[\sqrt{u^2+1} ]du=\sqrt8\int_{0.881}^{1.8184}\sqrt{\cosh^2 x} ⋅\cosh x dx=\sqrt8\int_{0.881}^{1.8184}\cosh^2 x dx$$

$$=\sqrt8\left[\frac{1}{2}\left[x+\frac{1}{2} \sinh (2x)\right]\right]_{0.881}^{1.8184}=\sqrt8\left[5.652-1.147\right]=\sqrt8×4.505=12.742$$

Bingo!!:cool: :biggrin::bow:
 
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Bringing me to my next question, How do we handle cubic or quartic integration under square roots or even cube roots?...should i come up with a question on a new thread?
 
Note that if u = \sinh x then x = \ln\left(u + \sqrt{1 + u^2}\right) and <br /> \sinh 2x = 2\sinh x \cosh x = 2u\sqrt{1 + u^2}. This leads to the exact result <br /> \sqrt{2} \ln\left(-3 + 3\sqrt{2} + 2\sqrt{5} - \sqrt{10} \right) + 6\sqrt{5} - 2.
 
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chwala said:
Bringing me to my next question, How do we handle cubic or quartic integration under square roots or even cube roots?...should i come up with a question on a new thread?
These are the elliptic integrals. Their value could only be determined numerically for definite integrals (i.e. with limits).
 
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