Find velocity of rocket that obtains more gas from gas cloud

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The problem involves a rocket ship that begins at rest and burns fuel while simultaneously obtaining more fuel from a gas cloud. The task is to find the velocity of the rocket as a function of time, requiring the construction of a differential equation while ignoring gravitational forces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of momentum to formulate the problem, with one participant attempting to establish a momentum equation involving the ship, exhausted fuel, and the gas cloud. Others suggest the need for a more systematic approach and the importance of considering differentials in the analysis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for a clearer formulation of the momentum equation and the use of differentials, but no consensus has been reached on the specific approach to take.

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Participants note challenges in simplifying the situation and obtaining meaningful equations. There is mention of the rate at which fuel is burned and obtained, as well as the need to clarify the relationship between the rocket's mass and its velocity changes.

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Homework Statement


To solve this problem you will need to construct a differential equation. A picture of the situation will help. Ignore all gravitational forces. A Rocket ship of structural mass M and fuel mass m, begins at rest relative to a gas cloud. The ship burns fuel at the rate ω which is exhausted with speed v relative to the ship. The ship obtains pure fuel from the gas cloud at the rate 2ω.
Find the velocity of the ship as a function of time.

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All I can think of is using momentum... P initial = 0, but I do not now how to construct the equation for P final.
 
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You need to make a better attempt. Perhaps do some research on the rocket equation and its derivation first so that you can at least prepare a credible list of relevant equations.
 
I am having a hard time describing this situation, and getting proper cancelations\simplifications.
To start we need to find an equation describing the momentum... I think. This would look like.
P = P_ship + P_exhausted fuel + P_gas cloud = 0
P_ship = (M_total)(v+dv)
P_exhausted = (v_ship - v_fuel)(dm_exhausted)
P_gas cloud = (v_ship)dm_intake
we also know that the fuel m = m_o+2ω-ω=m_o+ω
Using this information I am unable to get a differential equation that has an meaning.
 
Scronin267 said:
I am having a hard time describing this situation, and getting proper cancelations\simplifications.
To start we need to find an equation describing the momentum... I think. This would look like.
P = P_ship + P_exhausted fuel + P_gas cloud = 0
P_ship = (M_total)(v+dv)
P_exhausted = (v_ship - v_fuel)(dm_exhausted)
P_gas cloud = (v_ship)dm_intake
we also know that the fuel m = m_o+2ω-ω=m_o+ω
Using this information I am unable to get a differential equation that has an meaning.
You need to be more systematic in the analysis, using differentials everywhere that is appropriate.
In time dt, let the ship change speed from u to u+du.
What mass of fuel did it burn in that time? What was the exhaust speed of that fuel relative to the gas cloud? What momentum did it take with it?
What mass of new fuel did it take on?
What is the new momentum of the ship plus its load of fuel? What was the momentum change in time dt?
What equation can you now write?
 

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