Finding 2 of 3 Forces Given 1 and a Resultant

In summary: You have two equationsRx = Acos35° + Bx + CxRy = Asin35° + By + Cywith two unknowns: the magnitudes B and C.Perhaps I confused you with my blunt commentbut the intention was that you would substitue the magnitudes of B and CYou are doing great! Check your angles. Do they have the same reference ?In math and physics, east is zero angle, north ##\pi/2##east is zero angle? Really?
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cadcdac
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Homework Statement


Force A has a magnitude of 200lb and points 35° N of W. Force B points 40° E of N. Force C points 30° W of S. The resultant of the three forces has a magnitude of 260lb and points 85° S of W.
(a) What is the magnitude of Force B?
(B) What is the magnitude of Force C?

Homework Equations


F = √(Fx2 + Fy2)
Fx = FcosΘ
Fy = FsinΘ

where

F = Force
Θ =Angle

The Attempt at a Solution


Having drawn these vectors, I've been trying to use components which could've been easier if 2 forces were given.

Resultant's X = Rx = 260cos85°
Resultant's Y = Ry = 260sin85°
Force A's X = Ax = 200cos35°
Force A's Y = Ay = 200sin35°
Bx = Bsin40°
By = Bcos40°
Cx = Csin30°
Cy = Ccos30°
And formed equations

R = A + B + C
Rx = Acos35° + Bx + Cx
Ry = Asin35° + By + Cy
With these, I don't really know because 2 are missing while having no other equations for them like A+B=1 or stuff like that that give hints. Seems like something is missing, but i don't know because others have solved it. Don't know what is next.
 
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Hello cad, welcome to PF :smile: !

You have two unknows (B and C) and two equations.
You are making life difficult for yourself by dragging in Bx, y and Cx, y.

[edit]By the way, I hope you don't mean R = A + B + C but ##\vec R = \vec A + \vec B + \vec C## :rolleyes:
 
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BvU said:
Hello cad, welcome to PF :smile: !

You have two unknows (B and C) and two equations.
You are making life difficult for yourself by dragging in Bx, y and Cx, y.
So 260 = 200 + ##\vec B + \vec C## would be the first equation and i'll have to find the other equation
By any chance, does the 2nd equation contain angles in it? Or anything?

[edit]By the way, I hope you don't mean R = A + B + C but ##\vec R = \vec A + \vec B + \vec C## :rolleyes:
Ah yes, sorry about that
 
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260 and 200 are not vectors. I take it you do know about vector addition ?

You have two equations

cadcdac said:
Rx = Acos35° + Bx + Cx
Ry = Asin35° + By + Cy
with two unknowns: the magnitudes B and C.​

Perhaps I confused you with my blunt comment
BvU said:
You are making life difficult for yourself by dragging in Bx, y and Cx, y.
but the intention was that you would substitue the magnitudes of B and C
 
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BvU said:
260 and 200 are not vectors. I take it you do know about vector addition ?

You have two equations

with two unknowns: the magnitudes B and C.​

Perhaps I confused you with my blunt comment
but the intention was that you would substitue the magnitudes of B and C

I see. I came up with estimated answers B = 1780.15 and C = 2006.18. I also checked and resulted to 259.99... Am I doing this right?
 
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Does it match with the drawing you mentioned in post #1 ?
 
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Check your angles. Do they have the same reference ?
In math and physics, east is zero angle, north ##\pi/2##
 
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Never mind, it matches. Note that finding the magnitude of ##\vec A + \vec B + \vec C## is 260 is not enough to ensure ##\vec R = \vec A + \vec B + \vec C##; the direction has to be the same too.
But from you answer I expect you did the right thing and equated x and y components. WEll done.
 
  • #9
Hi, I am a newbie here... can someone explain how did he got the values of B and C??
 
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cadcdac said:
I see. I came up with estimated answers B = 1780.15 and C = 2006.18. I also checked and resulted to 259.99... Am I doing this right?
how did you got B and C??
 

1. What is the formula for finding 2 of 3 forces given 1 and a resultant?

The formula for finding the missing forces is F1 = √(R2 - F22) and F2 = √(R2 - F12), where F1 and F2 are the missing forces and R is the resultant force.

2. How do I know which force to use as F1 and which to use as F2?

The force that is given in the problem statement should be used as F2, while the other force should be used as F1.

3. Can this formula be used for any type of forces?

Yes, this formula can be used for any type of forces as long as the forces are in the same direction.

4. What if the forces are not in the same direction?

If the forces are not in the same direction, you will need to use vector addition to find the resultant force and then use the formula mentioned in question 1 to find the missing forces.

5. Can I use this formula if I only know the magnitudes of the forces and not their directions?

No, this formula can only be used if the directions of the forces are known. If only the magnitudes are known, you will need to use trigonometry to find the angles of the forces and then use vector addition to find the resultant force.

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