Finding 2 of 3 Forces Given 1 and a Resultant

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the magnitudes of two forces, B and C, given the magnitude and direction of a third force, A, and the resultant force of the three. The context is within vector addition in physics, specifically dealing with forces and their components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using vector components to set up equations based on the forces and their angles. There is mention of the difficulty in solving for two unknowns with only two equations available. Some participants question the setup of the equations and the use of vector notation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the correct approach to vector addition and the need to ensure that both magnitude and direction are considered. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the equations being used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the reference angles and the distinction between scalar magnitudes and vector quantities. There is also a mention of the importance of matching the direction of the resultant with the vector sum of the individual forces.

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Homework Statement


Force A has a magnitude of 200lb and points 35° N of W. Force B points 40° E of N. Force C points 30° W of S. The resultant of the three forces has a magnitude of 260lb and points 85° S of W.
(a) What is the magnitude of Force B?
(B) What is the magnitude of Force C?

Homework Equations


F = √(Fx2 + Fy2)
Fx = FcosΘ
Fy = FsinΘ

where

F = Force
Θ =Angle

The Attempt at a Solution


Having drawn these vectors, I've been trying to use components which could've been easier if 2 forces were given.

Resultant's X = Rx = 260cos85°
Resultant's Y = Ry = 260sin85°
Force A's X = Ax = 200cos35°
Force A's Y = Ay = 200sin35°
Bx = Bsin40°
By = Bcos40°
Cx = Csin30°
Cy = Ccos30°
And formed equations

R = A + B + C
Rx = Acos35° + Bx + Cx
Ry = Asin35° + By + Cy
With these, I don't really know because 2 are missing while having no other equations for them like A+B=1 or stuff like that that give hints. Seems like something is missing, but i don't know because others have solved it. Don't know what is next.
 
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Hello cad, welcome to PF :smile: !

You have two unknows (B and C) and two equations.
You are making life difficult for yourself by dragging in Bx, y and Cx, y.

[edit]By the way, I hope you don't mean R = A + B + C but ##\vec R = \vec A + \vec B + \vec C## :rolleyes:
 
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BvU said:
Hello cad, welcome to PF :smile: !

You have two unknows (B and C) and two equations.
You are making life difficult for yourself by dragging in Bx, y and Cx, y.
So 260 = 200 + ##\vec B + \vec C## would be the first equation and i'll have to find the other equation
By any chance, does the 2nd equation contain angles in it? Or anything?

[edit]By the way, I hope you don't mean R = A + B + C but ##\vec R = \vec A + \vec B + \vec C## :rolleyes:
Ah yes, sorry about that
 
260 and 200 are not vectors. I take it you do know about vector addition ?

You have two equations

cadcdac said:
Rx = Acos35° + Bx + Cx
Ry = Asin35° + By + Cy
with two unknowns: the magnitudes B and C.​

Perhaps I confused you with my blunt comment
BvU said:
You are making life difficult for yourself by dragging in Bx, y and Cx, y.
but the intention was that you would substitue the magnitudes of B and C
 
BvU said:
260 and 200 are not vectors. I take it you do know about vector addition ?

You have two equations

with two unknowns: the magnitudes B and C.​

Perhaps I confused you with my blunt comment
but the intention was that you would substitue the magnitudes of B and C

I see. I came up with estimated answers B = 1780.15 and C = 2006.18. I also checked and resulted to 259.99... Am I doing this right?
 
Does it match with the drawing you mentioned in post #1 ?
 
Check your angles. Do they have the same reference ?
In math and physics, east is zero angle, north ##\pi/2##
 
Never mind, it matches. Note that finding the magnitude of ##\vec A + \vec B + \vec C## is 260 is not enough to ensure ##\vec R = \vec A + \vec B + \vec C##; the direction has to be the same too.
But from you answer I expect you did the right thing and equated x and y components. WEll done.
 
Hi, I am a newbie here... can someone explain how did he got the values of B and C??
 
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cadcdac said:
I see. I came up with estimated answers B = 1780.15 and C = 2006.18. I also checked and resulted to 259.99... Am I doing this right?
how did you got B and C??
 

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