Finding a tangent vector to the intersection of two surfaces

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The problem involves finding a tangent vector to the intersection of two surfaces defined by the equations S1: z = x² + y² and S2: x² + y² = 2x + 2y at the point (0, 2, 4). The context is within multivariable calculus, specifically dealing with surfaces and their intersections.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using gradients of the two surfaces and the cross product to find a tangent vector. There is uncertainty about whether the resulting vector is indeed tangent to both surfaces. Some question the validity of the cross product approach, suggesting that the intersection may allow for multiple tangent vectors.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have raised concerns about the assumptions underlying the use of gradients and cross products, while others are considering the nature of the intersection as a plane, which may imply an infinite number of tangent vectors.

Contextual Notes

There is a note regarding the notation used for x² and y², indicating potential confusion in the representation of the equations. Participants are also grappling with the implications of the intersection being a curve and the nature of tangential vectors in that context.

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Homework Statement


The surfaces S1 : z = x2 + y2 and S2 : x2 + y2 = 2x + 2y
intersect at a curve gamma
. Find a tangent vector to
at the point (0, 2, 4).


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i thought about finding gradients of the two functions and plug in the given point in the gradients and cross product the two.
I get (2,2,8) as the vector tangent to the intersection gamma.

My solution was saying " If we produce two normal vectors n1 ? S1 and n2 ? S2, any
vector perpendicular to n1 and n2 (specifically n1 × n2) would be tangent to
both S1 and S2 and thus tangent to their common intersection "
.
it didnt make sense to me.
Cause if the vector is tangent to s2, x2 + y2 = 2x + 2y, then the vector should have zero for z component. the intersection is going to be some kinda curve , so i think there will be infinite number of vectors tangential to the intersectino between s1 and s2. and the cross product of the two gradients is just one of them.
I don't think the vector we get by cross producting the two gradients has to be tangential to s1, and s2


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i also noted the the intersection is part of z=2x+2y
so why not just find a vector orthogonal to the function z=2x+2y
'?
can't any vector be tangential to a curve? i suppose we can just write a random vector and say it is tangential to the given intersection.
im confused
 
in general, i know you need to find two gradients and cross them to get the vector tangential to the intersection of the two.
but in this case, since the intersection is just a plane, i thought there can be infinite number of vectors tangential to the intersection.
 
hangainlover said:

Homework Statement


The surfaces S1 : z = x2 + y2 and S2 : x2 + y2 = 2x + 2y
intersect at a curve gamma
. Find a tangent vector to
at the point (0, 2, 4).
Do x2 and y2 happen to mean x2 and y2? If so, at the very least write these as x^2 and y^2 to give readers the tiniest clue as to what you are talking about.
 

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