Finding acceleration of cylinder

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The discussion revolves around finding the acceleration of a cylinder with a dog on it, focusing on the dynamics of rotation and linear motion. The problem involves concepts from rotational dynamics, including torque, moment of inertia, and angular acceleration.

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  • The original poster attempts to use the instantaneous axis of rotation and calculates the moment of inertia. They express torque in terms of the forces acting on both the cylinder and the dog. Some participants suggest separating the contributions of the cylinder and dog to the angular momentum.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, discussing the correct expressions for angular momentum and torque. There is an ongoing examination of the relationships between the forces and the geometry involved, with some guidance provided on how to express certain variables in terms of known quantities.

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There are discussions about the direction of friction and the implications of taking torques about different points, such as the center of mass of the cylinder versus the instantaneous axis of rotation. Participants also note potential round-off errors in calculations and the importance of maintaining symbolic expressions until the end of the problem.

  • #31
Pranav-Arora said:
For tangential direction: ##mg\sin(30^o)-f_2=ma\cos(30^o)##
For normal direction: ##N-mg\cos(30^o)=ma\sin(30^o)##

Looks good now? :)

Looks right. Also, Chet's method using horizontal and vertical components of force from the dog looks nice.
 
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  • #32
TSny said:
Looks right. Also, Chet's method using horizontal and vertical components of force from the dog looks nice.

I had the following equation:
\sum F_x=f_1+f_2\cos(30^o)-N\sin(30^o)=4ma

##\because f_2=mg\sin(30^o)-ma\cos(30^o)## and ##N=ma\sin(30^o)+mg\cos(30^o)##
f_1+mg\sin(30^o)\cos(30^o)-ma\cos^2(30^o)-ma\sin^2(30^o)-mg\cos(30^o)\sin(30^o)=4ma
\Rightarrow f_1=5ma

Taking torque about CM of cylinder
\tau=f_1R-f_2R=I\alpha
(taking anticlockwise as the positive direction)
\Rightarrow R(5ma-mg\sin(30^o)-ma\cos(30^o))=2mR^2a/R
Solving this doesn't give me the right answer. :confused:
 
  • #33
When you substituted for ##f_2## in the torque equation, make sure you didn't make a mistake with a sign.

If you take counterclockwise as positive for rotation, then does ##\alpha = +a/R## or does ##\alpha = -a/R##?
 
  • #34
TSny said:
When you substituted for ##f_2## in the torque equation, make sure you didn't make a mistake with a sign.

If you take counterclockwise as positive for rotation, then does ##\alpha = +a/R## or does ##\alpha = -a/R##?

Ah yes, thanks TSny, it now gives the right answer! Thank you for your time. :smile:
 
  • #35
Pranav-Arora said:
Ah yes, thanks TSny, it now gives the right answer! Thank you for your time. :smile:
You are welcome. Good work.
 

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