Finding an orthogonal complement without an explicitly defined inner product

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The discussion revolves around finding the orthogonal complement of the subspace P3 in the inner product space P5, using the results from the Gram Schmidt process. Participants express uncertainty about how to determine orthogonal vectors without a defined inner product, emphasizing the need for this definition to identify orthogonality. The conversation suggests that the orthogonal complement consists of linear combinations of the orthonormalized vectors obtained from the Gram Schmidt process. There is a realization that the forms of the orthonormalized vectors can provide insight into the structure of the orthogonal complement. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the challenge of working with orthogonality in the absence of a specified inner product.
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Homework Statement



P5 is an inner product space with an inner product. We applied the Gram Schmidt process to the basis {1,x,x^2,x^3,x^4} and obtained the following result. {f1,f2,f3,f4,x^4+2}

What is the orthogonal complement of P3 in P5 with respect to this inner product?

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http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/LinAlg/OrthonormalBasis.aspx

has everything on the gram schmidt process

Definition of orthogonal complement:
Suppose that W is a subspace of an inner product space V. We say that a vector u from V is orthogonal to W if it is orthogonal to every vector in W. The set of all vectors that are orthogonal to W is called the orthogonal complement of W.

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not really sure. I feel like I need a defined inner product to actually find which vectors are orthogonal. I feel like I need to do something with the x^4+2, but honestly I am entirely lost.
 
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Of course you need to know what the inner product is to say what is orthogonal. They must have told you at some point.
 
Nope, I copied this question straight from my homework page. We are given the result of the Gram Schmidt process, which is a set of orthonormalized vectors. Considering the orthogonal complement is the set of all vectors orthogonal to some subspace W, does that mean my answer is just a linear combination of the given result of the gram schmidt process? They are orthogonal vectors, and the only way I could think to get every orthogonal vector from that information would be to linearly combine them.
 
Ok, maybe I'm beginning to see what the question is. So f1 is a constant term, f2 has the form a+bx, f3 is a quadratic, d+e*x+f*x^2 etc. Does that give you a hint?
 
I think so. Thank you
 
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