Orthogonal Complements of complex and continuous function subspaces

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The discussion revolves around finding the orthogonal complement of two specific subspaces: one defined by a span of complex vectors and the other consisting of constant functions over a given interval. Participants are exploring the definitions and properties of orthogonal complements in the context of inner product spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express the first space in matrix form and questions how to row reduce it with complex variables. They express uncertainty about deriving orthogonal vectors from this setup. For the second space, they seek clarification on the inner product of functions and how to approach finding the orthogonal complement.
  • Some participants suggest that the original poster consider the properties of integrals when dealing with constant functions and remind them of the need to use complex conjugates in the inner product for complex vectors.
  • Another participant questions the formulation of equations for the unknowns in the context of the orthogonal complement and seeks to clarify the relationship between the vectors involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on the properties of inner products and the formulation of equations necessary to find the orthogonal complement. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these properties, but no consensus has been reached regarding the specific steps to take next.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's textbook does not cover inner products of functions extensively, which may contribute to their uncertainty. There is also a mention of the need to consider complex conjugates in the context of the inner product for complex vectors.

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Homework Statement



I'm having a tough time figuring out just how to get the orthogonal complement of a space. The provlem gives two separate spaces:

1) span{(1,0,i,1),(0,1,1,-i)},
2) All constant functions in V over the interval [a,b]

Homework Equations



I know that for a subspace W of an inner product space, the orthogonal complement is defined as:
W_perp = {vectors in v\inV: <v,w> = 0 for all w \in W}
<v,w> is the standard dot product between two vectors;
In the case of constant functions, the dot product is \intf(x)g(x)dx;

The Attempt at a Solution



1) I tried putting it in matrix form:
[1 0 i 1]
[0 1 1 -i]
but don't know how to row reduce with complex variables. I actually don' think the matrix needs to be simplified more than it is, but still don't know how to plug into get two orthogonal vectors (I would like the result to be an orthogonal set)

2) I don't even know where to start ... the book doesn't cover inner products of functions much , let alone how to find the orthogonal complement of them.
 
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You doing a pretty good job of ignoring any information in your "Relevant equations" section. If you don't do that the second question should be pretty easy. You can factor a constant function outside of the integral. For the first one you should remember, if you weren't told, that <u,v> for complex vectors involves taking a complex conjugate of one of the vectors. Suppose v=(A,B,C,D). Then what two equations do you have to solve for the four unknowns A, B, C and D?
 
So, for the first part, the orthogonal complement would just be all f(x) where by ∫f(x) = 0 over the given interval [a,b]?

As for the second, I'm not quite sure what you mean. If I have those equations, and let x =[x_1, x_2, x_3, x_4] be my unknowns, I have:

[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4] = x_3[-i, -1, 1, 0] + x_4[-1,i,0,1]

Is that correct? I would then plug in x_3=1 and then x_4=1 to each of those vectors to get my orthogonal complement.
 
unquantified said:
So, for the first part, the orthogonal complement would just be all f(x) where by ∫f(x) = 0 over the given interval [a,b]?

As for the second, I'm not quite sure what you mean. If I have those equations, and let x =[x_1, x_2, x_3, x_4] be my unknowns, I have:

[x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4] = x_3[-i, -1, 1, 0] + x_4[-1,i,0,1]

Is that correct? I would then plug in x_3=1 and then x_4=1 to each of those vectors to get my orthogonal complement.

That's the answer to the first one alright. For the second one, take w=(w1,w2,w3,w4) to be your unknown vector in the orthogonal complement. Now since w need to be orthogonal to the span{(1,0,i,1),(0,1,1,-i)}, it has to be orthogonal to v1=(1,0,i,1) and v2=(0,1,1,-i). So you must have <v1,w>=0 and <v2,w>=0. What do those equations look like when you write them out in terms of w1, w2, w3 and w4?
 

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