Finding antiderivative without integration

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The problem involves finding the derivative of a function defined as g(x) = f(x^2), where f'(u) = 1 / (1 + u^3). The discussion centers around the application of the chain rule and the evaluation of derivatives without directly finding antiderivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between g'(x) and f'(u), questioning the application of the chain rule and the need to find f(u). There is discussion on whether g'(x) can be directly expressed as f'(x^2) and how to evaluate this expression.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the application of the chain rule and the interpretation of derivatives. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of f'(x^2) by substituting u with x^2, but there is still uncertainty about the necessity of further application of the chain rule.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions and relationships between the functions involved, particularly concerning the need to find antiderivatives and how to correctly apply the chain rule in this context.

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Homework Statement


f'(u) = 1 / (1 + u^3)
g(x) = f(x^2)
Find g'(x) and g'(2)

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So the derivative of function f at u is: 1 / (1 + u^3)
That means g'(x) would be f'(x^2), but to find the general derivative of f at u is 1 / (1 + u^3) so can I just plug in x^2 for u so I get: 1 / (1 + x^6) ?
 
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Your subject has nothing to do with this problem. There are no antiderivatives here. You need to use the chain rule to compute g'(x). It is NOT true that g'(x) = f'(x^2).
 
Don't you need to find f(u) which would be going backwards from 1 / (1 + u^3), which is an antiderivative?

And why is g'(x) != f'(x^2)? I just took the derivative of both functions on each side with respect to x
 
PhizKid said:
Don't you need to find f(u) which would be going backwards from 1 / (1 + u^3), which is an antiderivative?

And why is g'(x) != f'(x^2)? I just took the derivative of both functions on each side with respect to x

No, you don't need to find f(u). Regarding why g'(x) != f'(x^2), please apply the chain rule to differentiate both sides of g(x) = f(x^2).
 
We learned the Chain Rule but not sure how to apply it here. My best guess would be:

g'(x) = f'(x) * 2x
 
PhizKid said:
We learned the Chain Rule but not sure how to apply it here. My best guess would be:

g'(x) = f'(x) * 2x
Since g(x) = f(x2), then g'(x) = f'(x2[/color]) * 2x
 
Sorry, that's what I meant. I write it down on paper but I'm not very good at typing

So for g'(x) I have f'(x^2) * 2x
Do I have to somehow use f'(u) = 1 / (1 + u^3) in order to find the values for 'x' for f'(x^2) * 2x ? Do I need to use the Chain Rule again? If so, how would I apply it in this situation?
 
PhizKid said:
Sorry, that's what I meant. I write it down on paper but I'm not very good at typing

So for g'(x) I have f'(x^2) * 2x
Do I have to somehow use f'(u) = 1 / (1 + u^3) in order to find the values for 'x' for f'(x^2) * 2x ? Do I need to use the Chain Rule again? If so, how would I apply it in this situation?
You don't need to use the chain rule again. If f'(u) = 1/(1 + u^3) then what is f'(x^2)? Just substitute u = x^2. You are simply evaluating the function defined by f'(u) = 1/(1 + u^3) at the particular value u = x^2.
 
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How do you know that u = x^2 ?
 
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PhizKid said:
How do you know that u = x^2 ?

What does f'(x^2) mean? It means "evaluate the function f' at x^2." We have a formula for f'(u), i.e. a formula to "evaluate the function f' at u." If I want to evaluate f'(5), then I replace u with 5. If I want to evaluate f'(x^2), then I replace u with x^2.
 

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