Finding arc length of polar Curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the arc length of the polar curve defined by the equation \( r = 9 + 9\cos\theta \). Participants are exploring the necessary integral and the steps involved in evaluating it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integral for arc length, noting the expression for \( dr/d\theta \) and attempting to simplify the integral. Questions arise regarding the correctness of integration techniques, with suggestions for using trigonometric substitution and half-angle identities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on integration methods and suggesting alternative approaches. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the original attempt, and some guidance has been offered regarding the use of trigonometric substitutions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express a need for clarity in notation, with one noting the use of LaTeX for mathematical expressions. There is a sense of urgency from one participant regarding learning LaTeX due to time constraints.

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Homework Statement


Find the arc length of polar curve 9+9cosθ


Homework Equations



L = integral of sqrt(r^2 + (dr/dθ)^2 dθ
dr/dθ = -9sinθ
r = 9+9cosθ

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The Attempt at a Solution



1. Simplifying the integral
r^2 = (9+9cosθ^2) = 81 +162cosθ + 81cos^2(θ)
(dr/dθ)^2 = 81sin^2(θ)

r^2 + (dr/dθ)^2 = 81 + 162cosθ + 81cos^2(θ) + 81sin^2(θ)
81sin^2(θ) + 81cos^2(θ) = 81

162 + 162cosθ = r^2 + (dr/dθ)^2

now I have to take the integral of the squareroot...

Integral of sqrt(162 + 162cosθ)dθ
chain rule..?
(2/3)(162+162cosθ)^3/2*(162θ + 162sinθ)

Integrated between 0 and 2pi...?
which would lead to a crazy high number that I got as 3957501.966.
Anyone know where I went wrong?
 
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Well, for one thing, your indefinite integration is wrong. You can't use the power formula because you don't have the proper du outside the square root. You need to use a trig substitution instead.
 
For the other thing please use LaTeX...just a suggestion.
 
Sorry i'll learn LaTex soon, in a bit of a pinch at the moment.

is the final integral end up being
integral of(162 + 162cos(theta) ?
 
PsychonautQQ said:
Sorry i'll learn LaTex soon, in a bit of a pinch at the moment.

is the final integral end up being
integral of(162 + 162cos(theta) ?

Yes, a half angle sub will help to evaluate it.
 
CAF123 said:
Yes, a half angle sub will help to evaluate it.

Why use a half angle sub? Doesn't it just come out to 162θ+162sinθ between 0 and 2∏?
 
PsychonautQQ said:
Why use a half angle sub? Doesn't it just come out to 162θ+162sinθ between 0 and 2∏?
Sorry,I misread what you wrote: it should have been $$\int_0^{2\pi} \sqrt{162 + 162\cos\theta}\,d\theta,$$ which you will need to use a trig sub to evaluate. Factor out the 162 from the sqrt first.
 

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