Finding Area Between Cosine Curves [0, pi] Using Integration

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The discussion revolves around finding the area between the curves defined by the equations y=4cos(x) and y=4cos(2x) over the interval [0, π]. Participants are exploring the necessary steps to set up the integration, particularly focusing on identifying the points of intersection between the two curves.

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  • Participants express uncertainty about how to find the intersection points of the curves, with some attempting to set the equations equal to each other. There is mention of needing to use trigonometric identities to simplify the problem.

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Several participants have acknowledged the need for trigonometric identities to proceed, with some suggesting specific identities that could be useful. There is a recognition of varying levels of familiarity with trigonometry among participants, which influences the discussion.

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Some participants indicate a lack of resources or recent study in trigonometry, which may affect their ability to engage with the problem effectively. There are references to external resources for learning trigonometric identities.

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Homework Statement



Find the area between the curves y=4cosx and y = 4cos(2x) [0, pi]

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The Attempt at a Solution



I know I need to integrate this, but I get hung up finding the intersection of the two lines so I can split it into two different areas.

4cosx = 4 cos(2x)

0 = cos(2x) - cos(x) I think I need to use a trig identity here, but I'm not sure.
0 = sin(2x)sin(x)

x= pi?
 
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char808 said:

Homework Statement



Find the area between the curves y=4cosx and y = 4cos(2x) [0, pi]

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I know I need to integrate this, but I get hung up finding the intersection of the two lines so I can split it into two different areas.

4cosx = 4 cos(2x)

0 = cos(2x) - cos(x) I think I need to use a trig identity here, but I'm not sure.
Finding the points of intersection would be a very good idea, and a trig identity would be very useful.
char808 said:
0 = sin(2x)sin(x)
?? How did you go from cos(2x) - cos(x) to sin(2x)sin(x)?
char808 said:
x= pi?
That looks like a guess.
 
Yes, I'm at a loss about where to go from here:

0 = cos(2x) - cos(x)

Possibility: (I am admittedly weak when it comes to trig, I could/can figure this out with almost any other function.)

0=cos(2x-x)
0= cos(x)

x= pi/2?
 
char808 said:
0 = cos(2x) - cos(x) I think I need to use a trig identity here, but I'm not sure.

Yes indeed you do. What identities do you know for cos(2x)?
 
I don't. If you have a reference link I can go study I would appreciate that. Not covered in the book I have.
 
char808 said:
Yes, I'm at a loss about where to go from here:

0 = cos(2x) - cos(x)

Possibility: (I am admittedly weak when it comes to trig, I could/can figure this out with almost any other function.)

0=cos(2x-x)
cos(2x) - cos(x) [itex]\neq[/itex] cos(2x - x)
char808 said:
0= cos(x)

x= pi/2


?
 
char808 said:
I don't. If you have a reference link I can go study I would appreciate that. Not covered in the book I have.

Did you study trig at any time? If so, what did you do with your book?

khanacademy.org has a lot of lectures about a variety of math stuff. You might start there.
 
Guessing also works. For example, cos(2x)=cos(x) means that, at one point, 2x=x (there are also other points, however). Only one point can satisfy 2x=x.
 
Mark44 said:
Did you study trig at any time? If so, what did you do with your book?

khanacademy.org has a lot of lectures about a variety of math stuff. You might start there.

I last studied trig ~7-8 years ago. I probably sold the book.

I will check out the link.
 
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hi char808 ! :smile:

you need to learn the standard trigonometric identities …

cosA - cosB = 2 sin((A+B)/2) sin((A-B)/2) would help :wink:
 
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One that I found helpful was
cos(2x) = cos2(x) - sin2(x)

Two other forms of this are
cos(2x) = 2cos2(x) - 1
cos(2x) = 1 - 2sin2(x)

One of these can be used to write your equation cos(2x) = cos(x) as a quadratic in form.
 

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