Finding equivalent resistance for the given circuits

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The discussion focuses on finding the equivalent resistance for two given circuits, with participants exploring the concepts of combining resistors in series and parallel configurations. The conversation includes attempts to understand the implications of a short circuit and how it affects the overall resistance in the circuits.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method for calculating equivalent resistance in circuit 1, combining resistors in various configurations.
  • In circuit 2, the participant expresses confusion about the role of a conductor and the resulting voltage across R1, questioning the arrangement of R1, R2, and R3.
  • Another participant suggests considering the wire in parallel with R1 as having zero resistance, prompting a reevaluation of the circuit's configuration.
  • A later reply confirms that the presence of a short circuit means all current flows through the wire, resulting in zero voltage across R1 and allowing R2 and R3 to be treated as in series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the implications of the short circuit affecting R1, but there is ongoing uncertainty regarding the initial configuration and combination of resistors in circuit 2.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of resistors in series and parallel, as well as the impact of a short circuit, which may not be fully resolved in the context of the given circuits.

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Homework Statement


Find the equivalent resistance Rab for each circuit given here (resistance values have been omitted so I can focus on understanding the concept, but I can supply them if requested).

Homework Equations


This problem expects me to know how to combine resistors in series/parallel.

Series: Req = R1 + R2 + ... + Rk
Parallel: Req-1 = R1-1 + R2-1 + ... + Rk-1

The Attempt at a Solution


Attempt for circuit 1:
- Combine R1 and R2 in parallel.
- Combine R3 and above Req in parallel.
- Combine R4 and above Req in series.
- Combine R5 and above Req in parallel.
- Combine R6 and above Req in series.

Attempt for circuit 2:
Here is where I had a lot of trouble. The conductor at the right end of the circuit is what's throwing me off. I reconstructed this circuit in a simulator and it was showing that the voltage across R1 is 0, but I'm not sure why. Also, I don't know how to start combining them. R2 and R3 aren't in parallel (at least, I don't think they are), and I don't think R1, R2, and R3 are in series since the current across R1 would be different than the current across R2 and R3. Any push in the right direction would be greatly appreciated!
 

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Your method for circuit 1 looks fine.

24karatbear said:
Attempt for circuit 2:
Here is where I had a lot of trouble. The conductor at the right end of the circuit is what's throwing me off. I reconstructed this circuit in a simulator and it was showing that the voltage across R1 is 0, but I'm not sure why. Also, I don't know how to start combining them. R2 and R3 aren't in parallel (at least, I don't think they are), and I don't think R1, R2, and R3 are in series since the current across R1 would be different than the current across R2 and R3. Any push in the right direction would be greatly appreciated!

Think of the wire in parallel with R1 as a resistance of zero Ohms. What do you get when you place any resistance R in parallel with a resistance of zero?
 
gneill said:
Your method for circuit 1 looks fine.
Think of the wire in parallel with R1 as a resistance of zero Ohms. What do you get when you place any resistance R in parallel with a resistance of zero?

Thank you for having a look! I discovered that it is a short, and therefore all the current is going through it. Because of this, the voltage across R1 is zero, adn there is zero current going through R1. This means that R2 and R3 can be taken in series. Would this be correct?
 
24karatbear said:
Thank you for having a look! I discovered that it is a short, and therefore all the current is going through it. Because of this, the voltage across R1 is zero, adn there is zero current going through R1. This means that R2 and R3 can be taken in series. Would this be correct?
That would be correct; R1 effectively disappears from the circuit, replaced by the wire.
 
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gneill said:
That would be correct; R1 effectively disappears from the circuit, replaced by the wire.

Okay, great! Thanks again for looking over my post, gneill. :)
 

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