Finding Limits of Integration for Double Integrals: Can You Help Me?

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The discussion revolves around finding limits of integration for double integrals related to a tetrahedron defined by the coordinate planes and the plane equation x+(y/2)+(z/3)=1. Participants are exploring the geometric interpretation of the region of integration and the application of vector methods to verify volume calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the geometric representation of the tetrahedron and question the limits of integration for the double integral. There are attempts to derive the volume using both integration and vector methods, with some participants questioning the consistency of results between these approaches.

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Some participants have provided guidance on setting up the double integral and using vector methods, while others are exploring the relationship between the volume of a tetrahedron and a pyramid. There is an ongoing examination of the formulas used and their implications, but no consensus has been reached on the discrepancies noted.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. There is also a focus on understanding the geometric properties of the shapes involved and the formulas applicable to them.

Derill03
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The question is this:

Consider the tetrahedron which is bounded on three sides by the coordinate planes and on fourth side by plane x+(y/2)+(z/3)=1

I think the region to integrate over should appear in R^2 as a right triangle, is this correct?

Secondly i am having much trouble finding limits of integration for a double integral, can ne one help
 
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Hi Derill03! :smile:

For fixed x and y, what does z vary between?

For fixed x, what does y vary between? :wink:
 
I get a double integral integrating dydx of the function (3-3x-(3y/2)) from dy|0 to 2-2x and dx|0 to 1

so that would leave a volume of 1
 
Derill03 said:
I get a double integral integrating dydx of the function (3-3x-(3y/2)) from dy|0 to 2-2x and dx|0 to 1

so that would leave a volume of 1

Looks good! :smile:
 
On the next part it says to use vector methods to check the integration answer, can you point me in the right direction as to how do i use vector methods to calculate volume?

the only volume formula i know using vectors is triple scalar product (a dot (b cross c).
 
Derill03 said:
the only volume formula i know using vectors is triple scalar product (a dot (b cross c).

That'll do! :biggrin:

Area of triangle = 1/2 (a x b)

Area of pyramid = 1/6 (a x b).c :wink:
 
when i do the triple scalar product i get 6 as an answer? the integration way and vector way don't agree, any thoughts on what is wrong?
 
Derill03 said:
when i do the triple scalar product i get 6 as an answer? the integration way and vector way don't agree, any thoughts on what is wrong?

D'oh! :rolleyes: … Area of pyramid = 1/6 (a x b).c
 
I understand that if you take 1/6 of 6 you will get 1 which does agree, but its confusing to me why an area formula for a pyramid would prove a correct volume of a tetrahedron? Can you explain a little bit why this works

Is it safe to assume that a tetrahedron and a pyramid are geometrically the same?
 
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Derill03 said:
Is it safe to assume that a tetrahedron and a pyramid are geometrically the same?

Pyramid is easier to write :wink:
I understand that if you take 1/6 of 6 you will get 1 which does agree, but its confusing to me why an area formula for a pyramid would prove a correct volume of a tetrahedron? Can you explain a little bit why this works

oh :rolleyes:

I copied-and-pasted the other formula, and forgot to change "area" to "volume" :smile:
 
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now it all makes sense, thank you very much you were a big help
 

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