Finding Pauli matrices WITHOUT ladder operators

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The discussion revolves around alternative methods for calculating the Pauli spin matrices \(\sigma_x\) and \(\sigma_y\), given \(\sigma_z\) and the (anti)-commutation relations, without resorting to ladder operators \(\sigma_+\) and \(\sigma_-\). The scope includes theoretical approaches and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about alternative methods to find the Pauli matrices without using ladder operators.
  • Another participant suggests a brute force approach, proposing to use traceless Hermitian 2x2 matrices and solve the resulting equations based on the anti-commutation relations.
  • A participant expresses concern that using only commutation and anti-commutation relations yields multiple possible solutions, including variations of \(\sigma_x\) and \(\sigma_y\), and seeks a way to restrict these to the traditional Pauli matrices.
  • Another participant argues that any representation is valid and can be transformed into another through rotation.
  • A different participant provides a parameterization of a U(2) matrix and describes how to derive generators for the SU(2) subgroup, noting that the resulting matrices differ from the Pauli matrices by a factor of \(-\imath\).

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Participants express differing views on the methods for deriving the Pauli matrices, with no consensus on a single approach. Multiple competing methods and interpretations remain under discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the potential for multiple solutions arising from the use of commutation relations and the need for additional constraints to arrive at the traditional Pauli matrices.

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Does anyone know of an alternative way of calculating the Pauli spin matrices\mbox{ \sigma_x} and \mbox{ \sigma_y} (already knowing \mbox { \sigma_z} and the (anti)-commutation relations), without using ladder operators \mbox{ \sigma_+} and \mbox{ \sigma_- }?

Thanks!
 
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Penguin said:
Does anyone know of an alternative way of calculating the Pauli spin matrices \sigma_x and \sigma_y (already knowing \sigma_z and the (anti)-commutation relations), without using ladder operators \sigma_+ and \sigma_- ?

How about brute force ? Knowing that you need traceless hermitean 2x2 matrices, you put in the unknowns, write out all the equations anti-comm relations ... and solve ?

cheers,
Patrick.
 
vanesch said:
How about brute force ? Knowing that you need traceless hermitean 2x2 matrices, you put in the unknowns, write out all the equations anti-comm relations ... and solve ?

cheers,
Patrick.

Brute force was my initial plan :shy: problem is: Only using comm and anti-comm I get a whole bunch of possible solutions (like e.g. \sigma_x'=-\sigma_x=(0 & -1 \\ -1 & 0) and \sigma_y'=-sigma_y=(0 & i \\ -i \\ 0) ) also obeying these commutation relations.

I would like to restrict these solutions to the 'traditional' Pauli matrices... Am I forgetting some basic equations somewhere that 'll do just that? :cry:
 
Any representation is as good as another !
You find one, and make a rotation to go to the one you want.
 
I give here an alternative way to find the Pauli matrices, which seems natural to me. Any U(2) matrix can be parameterized by :
<br /> M_{U(2)} = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> e^{\imath u}\cos(\theta) &amp; e^{\imath v}\sin(\theta)\\<br /> -e^{\imath w}\sin(\theta) &amp; e^{\imath (w+v-u)}\cos(\theta)<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br />

and this reduces in the subgroup SU(2) to w+v=0 or :

<br /> M_{SU(2)} = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> e^{\imath u}\cos(\theta) &amp; e^{\imath v}\sin(\theta)\\<br /> -e^{-\imath v}\sin(\theta) &amp; e^{-\imath u}\cos(\theta)<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br />

Now as usual to find the generators, one differentiate with respect to each parameters, and takes the values near the identity :

<br /> \frac{\partial M}{\partial\theta} = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> -e^{\imath u}\sin(\theta) &amp; e^{\imath v}\cos(\theta)\\<br /> -e^{-\imath v}\cos(\theta) &amp; -e^{-\imath u}\sin(\theta)<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)_{\theta=0,u=0,v=0}<br /> =<br /> \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 0 &amp; 1\\<br /> -1&amp; 0<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br />


<br /> \frac{\partial M}{\partial u} = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \imath e^{\imath u}\cos(\theta) &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; -\imath e^{-\imath u}\cos(\theta)<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)_{\theta=0,u=0,v=0}<br /> =<br /> \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> \imath &amp; 0\\<br /> 0&amp; -\imath<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br />


<br /> \frac{\partial M}{\partial w} = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 0 &amp; \imath e^{\imath v}\sin(\theta)\\<br /> \imath e^{-\imath v}\sin(\theta) &amp; 0<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)_{\theta=0,u=0,v=0}<br /> =<br /> \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cc}<br /> 0 &amp; 1\\<br /> 1&amp; 0<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)<br />


But these are not the Pauli matrices, they differ by a factor -\imath. This is exactly what is done : the Pauli matrices define an arbitrary SU(2) matrix by :
<br /> M_{SU(2)} =e^{\imath \vec{L}\cdot\vec{\sigma}\alpha/2}=\sigma_0\cos(\frac{\alpha}{2})<br /> -\imath \vec{L}\cdot\vec{\sigma}\sin(\frac{\alpha}{2})<br /> with \sigma_0 the identity, \vec{L} a unitary vector directing the rotation axis, and \alpha the rotation angle. By differentiating this near the identity, one recovers the correct -\imath factor w.r.t. the previously calculated matrices.
 

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