Finding Period Of Voltage With Multiple Frequencies

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The discussion revolves around finding the period of voltage waveforms composed of multiple frequencies, specifically through examples involving cosine functions. Participants explore methods for determining the period of the resulting waveform from the sum of different sinusoidal functions, focusing on both graphical and mathematical approaches.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to find the period of a voltage given specific cosine functions, indicating a lack of clarity on the method.
  • Another suggests sketching the sinusoids and performing a graphical summation over several cycles as a potential solution.
  • A different participant proposes that the frequency of the resulting waveform is the Highest Common Factor (HCF) of the individual frequencies, providing a method for calculating the period based on this idea.
  • Another participant elaborates on the concept of periodicity, stating that the time period must contain complete cycles of the individual waveforms.
  • One participant discusses the greatest common divisor of the harmonic frequencies, providing a detailed explanation of how to derive the fundamental frequency and its relationship to the combined waveform's period.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches to finding the period, with some agreeing on the use of HCF or greatest common divisor concepts, while others introduce different methods such as graphical summation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach, as participants explore various interpretations and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the frequencies and their relationships are not explicitly stated, and there may be dependencies on definitions of terms like "fundamental frequency" and "harmonic." The discussion also reflects differing interpretations of how to handle non-integer frequencies.

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How do you solve questions of the type:

Find the period of the voltage
a) 3cos(2500t) + 4(7500t + pi/2)
b) a generic waveform: a*cos(x*t)+b*cos(y*t + theta)

I saw questions similar to the above while going through a book. I attempted such questions when I was in college, but don't know/remember how to solve them. I also spent quite some time looking it up on google but didn't see anything useful.

Thank you!
 
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QwertyXP said:
How do you solve questions of the type:

Find the period of the voltage
a) 3cos(2500t) + 4(7500t + pi/2)
Try sketching these two sinusoids, then do a graphical summation. Do this for half a dozen cycles at least.
 
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I think I have the answer. I plotted lots of graphs on WolframAlpha and it seems to me that the frequency of the resulting waveform (sum of 2 different functions) is the Highest Common Factor of the frequencies of the individual functions.

If the frequencies are not whole numbers, for example, in the case 3cos(2500t) + 4cos(7500t + pi/2) the frequencies would be 2500/(2*pi) and 7500/(2*pi), we would multiply the frequencies by the smallest possible number (call it 'x') that makes them integers. x=pi in this case. The frequencies above then become 1250 and 3750, respectively. Then we would find their HCF (=1250), and divide it by the same number (x). Hence the period of 3cos(2500t) + 4cos(7500t + pi/2) is pi/1250.

It's great to have solved it, but can anybody give an explanation why it works like this?
 
For the summation to be periodic, its time period τ [/size] must contain n complete cycles of f₁ and m complete cycles of f₂, where n,m ∈ ℕ.
 
The frequency of the fundamental is the greatest common divisor of the harmonic frequencies present.

Firstly consider integer angular frequencies of a=2500 and b=7500 rad/sec.
Remove all common factors as c = 2500. Then a/c = 1 and b/c = 3.
During a period of 2Pi/c radians, there will be 1 cycle of “wave a” for every 3 cycles of “wave b”.
The fundamental is c = a, with a 3rd harmonic of b.

Secondly consider integer angular frequencies of a=5000 and b=7500 rad/sec.
Remove all common factors as c = 2500. Then a/c = 2 and b/c = 3.
During a period of 2Pi/c radians, there will be 2 cycles of “wave a” for every 3 cycles of “wave b”.
The frequency of the fundamental is therefore again c = 2500 radians per second.

In this case the fundamental c is not actually present since neither a/c, nor b/c is 1.
Wave a is the 2nd harmonic, and wave b the 3rd harmonic of the missing fundamental.
But the combined wave still repeats with the period of the missing fundamental.

In both cases the period of the combined wave fundamental will therefore be 2Pi / c = 0.00251327 seconds.
 
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