Finding Points of Tangency for the Unit Circle

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The discussion revolves around finding the points of tangency for lines drawn from a point P=(3,2) to the unit circle defined by the equation y² + x² = 1. Participants are exploring the geometric and algebraic relationships involved in this problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest drawing a diagram and using the point-slope form of a line to establish relationships between the point and the unit circle. There are discussions about writing the equation of the tangent line at a point on the circle and how to manipulate the equations to find the points of tangency.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and clarifying their understanding. Some have provided insights into using the quadratic formula and the discriminant to analyze the conditions for tangency. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various approaches are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need to specify that the lines are tangents, and participants are grappling with the implications of having multiple unknowns in their equations. The original poster has expressed some confusion regarding the steps to take after substituting equations.

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Hi I'm trying to study over break, this isn't an exact quote but its the part of the problem I need help with. Thanks.

Homework Statement


Draw the unit circle and plot the point P=(3,2). Observe there are TWO lines tangent to the circle passing through the point P. Lines L1 and L2 are tangent to the circle at what points?

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The Attempt at a Solution


I tried plugging in the point into a point-slope formula, it was kind of a dead end for me.
 
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draw a figure and show what you know
 
Pick a point on the unit circle, (cos α, sin α) say. Write down the equation of the tangent there.
 
haruspex said:
Pick a point on the unit circle, (cos α, sin α) say. Write down the equation of the tangent there.

How about if we get him to draw a diagram first and then help him from there?
 
Cascadian said:
Hi I'm trying to study over break, this isn't an exact quote but its the part of the problem I need help with. Thanks.

Homework Statement


Draw the unit circle and plot the point P=(3,2). Observe there are TWO lines tangent to the circle passing through the point P. Lines L1 and L2 are tangent to the circle at what points?

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


I tried plugging in the point into a point-slope formula, it was kind of a dead end for me.
Equation for unit circle is y^2 + x^2 = 1. Equation for line passing through point P=(3,2) is y - 2 = m(x-3).

These facts might be helpful. They might also fit under that bold region labeled "2. Homework Equations ".

So, the question is this: if you want to find 2 values for x and y such that both equations are satisfied, what can you do with the two equations? :wink:
 
Hi everyone, thank you for the input. Let me clarify my situation, I uploaded a diagram; the approach I had been working on was the one Mandelbroth had mentioned. I had y = mx-m3+2 and y^2 + x^2 = 1, when I plugged the first equation into the second I wasn't sure what to do especially because there were now 3 unknown variables, y, x, and m. That's where I'm at now.
 

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Cascadian said:
Hi everyone, thank you for the input. Let me clarify my situation, I uploaded a diagram; the approach I had been working on was the one Mandelbroth had mentioned. I had y = mx-m3+2 and y^2 + x^2 = 1, when I plugged the first equation into the second I wasn't sure what to do especially because there were now 3 unknown variables, y, x, and m. That's where I'm at now.
The problem with htat approach is that nowhere have you specified that the line is supposed to be a tangent. Do you know how to write down the generic equation for a tangent to circle at a given point, (cos θ, sin θ) say?
 
Cascadian said:
Hi everyone, thank you for the input. Let me clarify my situation, I uploaded a diagram; the approach I had been working on was the one Mandelbroth had mentioned. I had y = mx-m3+2 and y^2 + x^2 = 1, when I plugged the first equation into the second I wasn't sure what to do especially because there were now 3 unknown variables, y, x, and m. That's where I'm at now.

Yes, so if you plug y=mx-3m+2 into x^2+y^2=1 then you'll have an equation in terms of x and m. It will be a quadratic in x, so if you solve the quadratic for x, you'll have a solution that is in terms of m.

Now, what you need to do is to understand what the solution to the quadratic is telling you. What does the discriminant in the quadratic formula say?

haruspex said:
The problem with htat approach is that nowhere have you specified that the line is supposed to be a tangent. Do you know how to write down the generic equation for a tangent to circle at a given point, (cos θ, sin θ) say?

There is no problem with that approach. He'll be picking the values of m that are tangents to the circle soon enough.
 
Distance from O to point (3,2) uses distance formula.
Distance from any point on circle to O is 1 for a unit circle.
Two points on the circle are tangency points, upper may be called B, (x2, y2).
Angle of triangle at B is right-angle, so POB is right triangle.
Distance from B to point (3,2) uses Pythagorean Theorem, because you know the other two triangle side lengths.

Use DISTANCE FORMULA again for B to point (3,2).

Two equations and unknowns:
x2+y2=1
BP=sqrt((3-x)2+(2-y)2)
 

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