Finding position from velocity (trig function)

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The discussion revolves around finding the position function from a given velocity function, specifically V(t) = xsin(x^2), with an initial condition S(0) = 3 and the goal of determining S(2). Participants are exploring integration techniques and the validity of the velocity function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss integration methods, including u-substitution, and question the correctness of the velocity function. There are attempts to manipulate the equations and integrate both sides to express time as a function of position.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on integration and questioning the initial setup of the velocity function. There is no explicit consensus on the correct form of the velocity function, and multiple interpretations are being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the correct expression for the velocity function, with suggestions that it may be v(t) = t*sin(t^2) instead of the original form. Participants are also navigating the challenges of integrating the left-hand side of the equation.

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Homework Statement


S(0)=3, find S(2) position wise.

Homework Equations



V(t)=xsin(x^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to integrate with u-substitution and I got -t^4/4cos(t^2). I tested it by taking the derivative and it didn't work out.
 
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v(t)=\frac{dx}{dt}\quad\to\quad\frac{dx}{x\sin(x^2)}=dt

Is the equation on the right what you integrated?
 
@SammyS,
Thanks for the reply, but I have never seen the method you used before. I understand that you manipulated the first equation to get the second, but I do not know why. If you could explain it a bit or give me a link to a website that explains it I would appreciate it.
 
Are you sure that your velocity function is v(t) = x*sin(x^2), where x is a distance? Is it possible that it's v(t) = t*sin(t^2) instead?
 
If  \frac{dx}{dt}=x\sin(x^2)\,,

then  \frac{1}{x\sin(x^2)}\ \frac{dx}{dt}\,dt=dt\,.

But,  \frac{dx}{dt}\,dt=dx\,.

Therefore,  \frac{dx}{x\sin(x^2 )}=dt  

Now integrate both sides to find t as a function of x.
 
SammyS said:
Now integrate both sides to find t as a function of x.

I think that the LHS is going to prove to be rather difficult to integrate in closed form.
 
gneill said:
I think that the LHS is going to prove to be rather difficult to integrate in closed form.
Yes, I believe you are right about this.

Your earlier suggestion: v(t)=t\sin(t^2) is probably correct.
 
I switched t with x in the equation. Now that I think about it I'm even unsure of why I did this. Anyway, I solved the problem by taking t out of the function before integrating. Thank you all for the quick replies.
 

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