Finding reaction products in reduction chemistry

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The discussion focuses on the theoretical aspects of specific energy in reduction reactions involving various chemical reagents, primarily Na2S2O5, KNO3, and C12H22O11. The user is exploring potential products and byproducts of these reactions while emphasizing the importance of safety precautions due to the toxic nature of some compounds formed. While the reactions involving Na2S2O5 and KNO3 are somewhat understood, the user seeks clarity on the fate of potassium and nitrogen in the reactions with C12H22O11. Additionally, the role of Fe2O3 as a redox catalyst is noted, although its exact impact on the reactions remains uncertain. Overall, the user is preparing for a project with their kids, prioritizing safety and theoretical understanding.
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Contrary to potential appearance, this is not homework. I've been out of college for a long time now. Just working on a project with my kids and I'm trying to approach specific energy of these reduction reactions from the theoretical side, mostly so I know what sort of safety precautions to take.

I can balance the equations and find the bond energies and all that stuff to get an idea of reaction chemistry and specific energy, but only if I already know both sides of the equation. Here are the reagents I'm looking at:

Na2S2O5 + KNO3 → ?

Na2S2O5 + KNO3 + Fe2O3 → ?

Na2S2O5 + KNO3 + C12H22O11 → ?

KNO3 + C12H22O11 → ?

KNO3 + C12H22O11 + Fe2O3 → ?

Na2S2O5 + KNO3 + C12H22O11 + Fe2O3 → ?


I know that Na2S2O5 + KNO3 can react to form Na2S04 + KNO + S03 and that KNO3 + C12H22O11 will produce CO2 and H2O but I don't know exactly where the potassium and nitrogen end up in the latter reaction. I suspect that the water and sulfur trioxide could then react as well, though I don't know whether the sulfur would act to poison the other parts of the reaction. And I have no idea what the Fe2O3 would do to it all.

And before anyone asks: yes, I know that numerous sulfur oxides and a lot of other potential byproducts are toxic. Necessary precautions will be taken.
 
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sevenperforce said:
mostly so I know what sort of safety precautions to take.

Take the same precautions as for gunpowder.

sevenperforce said:
But I don't know exactly where the potassium and nitrogen end up in the latter reaction.

Just expect the most stable compounds: N2 and K2O or K2S.

sevenperforce said:
And I have no idea what the Fe2O3 would do to it all.

It's a redox catalyst.
 
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