Finding RMS Speed of Gas Atoms: Ideal Gas

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To find the root mean square speed of gas atoms in an ideal gas, the density, pressure, and temperature are given. The equation p=(1/3)*(Nm/V)*v² relates pressure to the number of atoms and their speed. The discussion clarifies that N, the total number of atoms, can be omitted because the density can be expressed as mass per unit volume. This allows for the calculation of speed without needing the exact number of atoms. The focus remains on deriving the speed based on the provided parameters.
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Homework Statement


The ideal gas has a density of 2.4 kgm–3 at a pressure of 2.0 × 105 Pa and a
temperature of 300 K.Find the root mean square speed of the gas atoms.


Homework Equations



p=(1/3)*(Nm/V)*v(squared)


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to make v(squared) the subject, but N(the number of atoms) is not given, and when I looked at the answer, it made v(squared) the subject, and omitted N. I don's understand why do they have to omit N, is it because we are suppose to find the speed for one atom?
Sorry for my bad English.
 
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AllenHe said:

Homework Statement


The ideal gas has a density of 2.4 kgm–3 at a pressure of 2.0 × 105 Pa and a
temperature of 300 K.Find the root mean square speed of the gas atoms.


Homework Equations



p=(1/3)*(Nm/V)*v(squared)


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to make v(squared) the subject, but N(the number of atoms) is not given, and when I looked at the answer, it made v(squared) the subject, and omitted N. I don's understand why do they have to omit N, is it because we are suppose to find the speed for one atom?
Sorry for my bad English.

Well, N/V is the number of particles per unit of volume. If you multiply this by m, the mass per particle, you get the mass per unit volume. What's another name for that?
 
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cepheid said:
Well, N/V is the number of particles per unit of volume. If you multiply this by m, the mass per particle, you get the mass per unit volume. What's another name for that?

Oh, I get it, so you mean the density is mN/v, right?
 
AllenHe said:
Oh, I get it, so you mean the density is mN/v, right?

Yes, he means that in,

P= mnvrms2/3V

Density is mn/V

m=molar mass
n=number of moles

But you have written N=avogadro's number
m=mass of one molecule ?

Are you giving this formula for 1 mole of gas ?
 
AllenHe said:
Oh, I get it, so you mean the density is mN/v, right?

Yes, that is exactly what I meant :)
 
sankalpmittal said:
Yes, he means that in,

P= mnvrms2/3V

Density is mn/V

m=molar mass
n=number of moles

But you have written N=avogadro's number
m=mass of one molecule ?

Are you giving this formula for 1 mole of gas ?

The OP explicitly stated that N was the total number of atoms. So this problem isn't doing anything with moles.
 
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