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In summary: For the data I used above, you would enter:10x5x8x12x=(it is the same sequence of keys, but with multiplication instead of division)I think it is important that you understand that my formula is exactly the same as vk6kro's, but with all the reciprocals taken. They are the same because if you take the reciprocal of a reciprocal, you get the reciprocal.So, my formula is just a way of making the calculation easier.

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sachinism

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3000 and 2000 are in parallel so give a resistance of 1200 ohms as a result

and voltage is 1.5 V

there fore i=v/r =1.5/5000=3x10^(-4)

now when a resistance of 2000 is attached across X and Y

then 3000,2000,2000 seem to be in parallel

resultant resistance of these is which give 751.8 ohmsi=1.5/751.8=2x10^-3

there fore scale will show a reading of 6.66

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vk6kro

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1) 1.5 volts / ( 3000 ohms + 2000 ohms) =

Now, 2000 ohms in parallel with 2000 ohms = 1000 ohms.

2) 1.5 volts / ( 3000 ohms + 1000 ohms ) =

Then, if the first current = "20" on the linear scale, what does the second current read?

It will read more, won't it?

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sachinism

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u have taken the 3000 to be in series with parallel arrangement of 2000,2000

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vk6kro

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Follow the path of the current from the battery +ve to the battery -ve.

You go through the resistors one after the other, don't you? So they are in series.

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franklinear

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vk6kro said:

1) 1.5 volts / ( 3000 ohms + 2000 ohms) =

Now, 2000 ohms in parallel with 2000 ohms = 1000 ohms.

2) 1.5 volts / ( 3000 ohms + 1000 ohms ) =

Then, if the first current = "20" on the linear scale, what does the second current read?

It will read more, won't it?

i agree with you.

By comparison,

I1/I2=20/x

We get x= 25.

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vk6kro

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Work out the two values with your calculator.

What does this equal:

1) 1.5 volts / ( 3000 ohms + 2000 ohms) =

Add 3000 and 2000 and divide 1.5 by this total.

What does this equal:

2) 1.5 volts / ( 3000 ohms + 1000 ohms ) =

Add 3000 and 1000 and divide 1.5 by this total.

You should get two currents in Amps.

Now the meter reading will be 20 times the ratio of (current 2 / current 1)

I agree with your answer but I don't think you know how you got it.

This is clearly course work, so we can't just do it for you.

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franklinear

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A few hours ago,

I posted I1/I2=20/x

Thus x=20 x I2/I1

It's just the same...

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I am not a physics major or anything but I do like to toy around with equations. I am sure this is a basic question in your realm.

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zgozvrm

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vk6kro said:

Work out the two values with your calculator.

What does this equal:

1) 1.5 volts / ( 3000 ohms + 2000 ohms) =

Add 3000 and 2000 and divide 1.5 by this total.

What does this equal:

2) 1.5 volts / ( 3000 ohms + 1000 ohms ) =

Add 3000 and 1000 and divide 1.5 by this total.

You should get two currents in Amps.

Now the meter reading will be 20 times the ratio of (current 2 / current 1)

I agree with your answer but I don't think you know how you got it.

This is clearly course work, so we can't just do it for you.

This is exactly what franklinear showed. Neither of you showed how you came up with 1000 ohms though.

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zgozvrm

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elbeasto said:

I am not a physics major or anything but I do like to toy around with equations. I am sure this is a basic question in your realm.

Parallel resistance, [itex]R_P[/tex] is found using the following formula:

[tex]R_P = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{R_1} + \frac{1}{R_2}}[/tex]

and, for instances where [itex]R_1 = R_2[/tex] you can simplify this by just taking [itex]R_P = \frac{1}{2}R_1[/tex]

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vk6kro

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Rtotal = R1 * R2 / (R1 + R2)

So, if you have a 39 ohm resistor and a 56 ohm resistor in parallel, you would get the following:

Rtotal = 39 * 56 / (39 + 56) = 29.99 ohms

Or, you can just get 1/39 + 1/56 and take the reciprocal of it.If you have two 2000 ohm resistors in parallel,

Rtotal = 2000 * 2000 / (2000 + 2000) = 1000 ohms

Or, using the other method,

1 / 2000 + 1 / 2000 = 0.001

take the reciprocal to get 1000 ohms.

This still works if you have any number of identical resistors in parallel.

So, if you had 7 resistors all 56 ohms, you would get this:

1/56 + 1/56 + 1/56 + 1/56 + 1/56 + 1/56 + 1/56 = 0.125

The reciprocal of this is 8 ohms.

So the result is 56 / 7 or 8 ohms.

Makes sense because 7 resistors across a power source will draw 7 times as much current as one resistor if they are all identical. So, the combination has 1/7th as much resistance as one resistor.

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zgozvrm

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vk6kro said:Another way of getting the total of resistors in parallel, especially if they are not the same, is this:

Rtotal = R1 * R2 / (R1 + R2)

This is completely true (and it is derived from the formula I posted). The reason I didn't mention it, is that this formula only works for 2 resistors in parallel at a time, whereas the one I gave can be extended to any number of resistors in parallel, by:

[tex]R_{total} = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{R1} + \frac{1}{R2} + ... + \frac{1}{Rn}}[/tex]

where n represents the number of resistors.

Example:

R1 = 10 [itex]\Omega[/tex]

R2 = 5 [itex]\Omega[/tex]

R3 = 8 [itex]\Omega[/tex]

R4 = 12 [itex]\Omega[/tex]

Then,

[tex]R_{total} = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{10} + \frac{1}{5} + \frac{1}{8} + \frac{1}{12}} \approx 1.967 \Omega[/tex]

This is easily entered into a calculator using the following key sequence:

(if you have a reciprocal key, either [itex]1/x[/tex] or [itex]x^{-1}[/tex])

10

[itex]1/x[/tex]

+

5

[itex]1/x[/tex]

+

8

[itex]1/x[/tex]

+

12

[itex]1/x[/tex]

=

[itex]1/x[/tex]

(Done)

Of course, the version of the formula that vk6kro offered will work as well, but you would have to take many more steps. You would first have to find the equivalent resistance of R1 parallel to R2 (call the result R5), then find the equivalent resistance of R5 parallel to R3 (call this result R6). Finally, you would find the equivalent resistance of R6 parallel to R4.

Plus, if I was going to memorize a formula for parallel resistors, I'd choose the more versatile one. Besides, it's easy to confuse the numerator and the denominator of the two-resistor formula. (Do I divide the sum by the product, or the product by the sum?)

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vk6kro

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With a simple 4 function calculator it is a lot easier to multiply two numbers together and divide by their sum than it is to muck around with reciprocals.

I even use it for times when there is no calculator around and I have to work it out with mental arithmetic.

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