Finding Singular values of general projection matrices....

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The discussion revolves around finding the singular values of projection matrices, specifically for the matrix P = qq∗ where q is a vector in C^m with a 2-norm of 1. The participants explore the singular value decomposition (SVD) of both P and the matrix I - P, discussing the implications of the properties of these matrices.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the singular values of the projection matrix P and the implications of its SVD. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the matrices involved and the nature of the singular values. Questions arise regarding the transition from the typical SVD form to the specific case of the projection matrix.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion about the steps in deriving the SVD and the singular values, while others provide insights and clarifications. There is an ongoing exploration of the properties of the matrices involved, particularly regarding their orthogonality and the implications for the SVD of I - 2P.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the hermitian nature of the matrix P, which influences the SVD and the relationship between U and V in the decomposition. There is also mention of the need to consider the orthogonality of the matrices when discussing I - P and I - 2P.

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Homework Statement


Let q ∈ C^m have 2-norm of q =1.

Then P = qq∗ is a projection matrix.

(a) The matrix P has a singular value decomposition with U = [q|Q⊥] for some appropriate matrix Q⊥.

What are the singular values of P?

(b) Find an SVD of the projection matrix I − P = I − qq∗ . In particular, what are the singular values? Hint: Write I = UU∗ where U is as above and use the SVD of qq∗ .

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The Attempt at a Solution


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I'm afraid I'm at a loss for what I should aim for as far as an answer. Here's what I've been working on...

a)

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with the above matrix coming from the equation of U in the instructions.

So, I can answer that the singular values are the diagonals of Σ, which I now have an equation for...however it feels like I'm supposed to take this a step further...would anyone have any insight??

b)

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And again I can't help but feel this is too general or that I'm missing something.

Thanks for any help!
 
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Mattbringssoda said:

Homework Statement


Let q ∈ C^m have 2-norm of q =1.

Then P = qq∗ is a projection matrix.

(a) The matrix P has a singular value decomposition with U = [q|Q⊥] for some appropriate matrix Q⊥.

What are the singular values of P?

(b) Find an SVD of the projection matrix I − P = I − qq∗ . In particular, what are the singular values? Hint: Write I = UU∗ where U is as above and use the SVD of qq∗ .

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
I'm afraid I'm at a loss for what I should aim for as far as an answer. Here's what I've been working on...

a)

mtnwuv.png


with the above matrix coming from the equation of U in the instructions.

So, I can answer that the singular values are the diagonals of Σ, which I now have an equation for...however it feels like I'm supposed to take this a step further...would anyone have any insight??

b)

mtnwuv.png


And again I can't help but feel this is too general or that I'm missing something.

Thanks for any help!

Hi Mattbringssoda! :oldsmile:

(a)
Note that ##(qq^*)q=q(q^*q)=q\|q\|^2=q##.

Let ##q_\perp## be a vector perpendicular to ##q##, so ##\langle q_\perp, q \rangle = 0##.
Then ##(qq^*)q_\perp = q(q^*q_\perp) = q \langle q_\perp, q \rangle = q \cdot 0 = 0##.
So the singular values of ##P## are the column vectors of ##Q_\perp##.

Moreover, the singular value decomposition is:
$$P=UE_{11}U^*$$
where ##E_{11}## is the standard unity matrix with only zeroes and a single 1 at the top left.

(b)
We can write:
$$I-P=UU^* - UE_{11}U^*$$
Where can we go with this?
 
I like Serena said:
Hi Mattbringssoda! :oldsmile:

(a)
Note that ##(qq^*)q=q(q^*q)=q\|q\|^2=q##.

Let ##q_\perp## be a vector perpendicular to ##q##, so ##\langle q_\perp, q \rangle = 0##.
Then ##(qq^*)q_\perp = q(q^*q_\perp) = q \langle q_\perp, q \rangle = q \cdot 0 = 0##.
So the singular values of ##P## are the column vectors of ##Q_\perp##.

Moreover, the singular value decomposition is:
$$P=UE_{11}U^*$$
where ##E_{11}## is the standard unity matrix with only zeroes and a single 1 at the top left.

(b)
We can write:
$$I-P=UU^* - UE_{11}U^*$$
Where can we go with this?

Thanks!

I think I'm starting to see a glimmer...

But, when you say P=UE11U∗, I'm not sure how the typical UEV* became UEU*,

in other words, why does V* = U*??

Really - thanks again!
 
Mattbringssoda said:
Thanks!

I think I'm starting to see a glimmer...

But, when you say P=UE11U∗, I'm not sure how the typical UEV* became UEU*,

in other words, why does V* = U*??

Really - thanks again!

The matrix P is hermitese, meaning P=P*.
As a consequence we have U=V.
Note that ##P^*=(qq^*)^* = q^{**}q^* = qq^*=P##, so we also have that ##(UEV^*)^* = VE^*U^* = UEV^*##.
 
Oh, I see. I forgot about that...

So, now, I think I figured out part a, thanks to you, and it seems to work on paper. And I THINK I have figured out part b, setting it up along the lines of:
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And then solving for the Σ_orthog and using the orthogonal U and U* from the left side to work towards a final answer...hopefully I set that up correctly.

The next portion of the question is to get the SVD of I-2P. We just worked on I-P above, and it's orthogonality to P helped me get to the answer, but I'm not sure how to set up I-2P.

I know it's a reflection across the null, so that probably adds some "negative" values somewhere, but I'm not sure the proper way to show that in this symbolic representation problem that we're doing here...

Am I missing something obvious again, or over thinking it?
 
Mattbringssoda said:
Oh, I see. I forgot about that...

So, now, I think I figured out part a, thanks to you, and it seems to work on paper. And I THINK I have figured out part b, setting it up along the lines of:
7bb39a.png


And then solving for the Σ_orthog and using the orthogonal U and U* from the left side to work towards a final answer...hopefully I set that up correctly.

The next portion of the question is to get the SVD of I-2P. We just worked on I-P above, and it's orthogonality to P helped me get to the answer, but I'm not sure how to set up I-2P.

I know it's a reflection across the null, so that probably adds some "negative" values somewhere, but I'm not sure the proper way to show that in this symbolic representation problem that we're doing here...

Am I missing something obvious again, or over thinking it?

Yep. Overlooking something.
We can use the property of distributivity to simplify - it applies to matrices as well.
That is, take the matrices out of the parentheses, so to speak.

##I-P = UU^* - UE_{11} U^* = U(U^* - E_{11} U^*) = U(I - E_{11})U^* = U\Sigma' U^*##
 
I'm turning in my assignment now. You've been an incredible help. Thanks!
 
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