Finding specific heat C_p coefficients using NIST

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The discussion revolves around finding specific heat coefficients (C_p) for water at approximately 300 K and liquid nitrogen at around 97 K using the JANAF model, which represents C_p as a polynomial function of temperature. The user is attempting to verify specific coefficients for water but finds discrepancies in the NIST data, particularly noting that the NIST data follows the Shomate equation rather than a polynomial format. Despite checking various NIST resources, the user is unable to locate the expected coefficients and is seeking guidance on their derivation and application. The conversation highlights the challenges in matching theoretical models with available data and emphasizes the need for accurate thermodynamic properties for further calculations. The user aims to apply similar methods to derive properties for liquid nitrogen once the water coefficients are confirmed.
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I am trying to find the specific heat (at constant pressure) ##C_p## coefficients linked to the JANAF model
I am trying to find the specific heat (at constant pressure) ##C_p## coefficients linked to the JANAF model, which basically assumes that ##C_p## is a polynomic function of ##T##, for liquid nitrogen (at ##\approx## 97 K).

Before doing that, I am trying to find those for water (at ##\approx## 300 K) and verify that they are ##9850.69, -48.6714, 0.13736## and ##-0.000127063##.

I am looking into NIST data for water; I checked both gas and condensed thermochemistry data but the coefficients don't match with the above. I also checked the NIST-JANAF thermo tables, for water, but the coefficients are not there.

How to find the desired coefficients for water (at ##\approx## 300 K)? They should be somewhere in the NIST-JANAF table.

Once I see the above it should be straightforward to find those for liquid nitrogen

Thank you! :biggrin:

PS: Actually, I am implementing the thermo-physical properties of liquid nitrogen.
 
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JD_PM said:
Before doing that, I am trying to find those for water (at ##\approx## 300 K) and verify that they are ##9850.69, -48.6714, 0.13736## and ##-0.000127063##.
Where do these come from ? How do they lead to a ##\ c_p=75.349\ ## J/(K.mol) as expected ?

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Just for the record, here's an explanation of the JANAF model

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BvU said:
Where do these come from ? How do they lead to a ##\ c_p=75.349\ ## J/(K.mol) as expected ?

##\ ##

Good question, here is the derivation.

I am trying to find the coefficients for liquid nitrogen online. However, I think the best I could do is follow the same procedure to derive them (not only for ##c_p## but for the density, dynamic viscosity and thermal conductivity).

So I am going to take the temperature range ##-193 < T < -173## Celsius (using ##80K < T < 100K## should also work).

First I am trying to find the density, ##c_p##, dynamic viscosity and thermal conductivity data associated to this temperature range (as done for water in the above derivation).
 
JD_PM said:
Good question, here is the derivation.

Still think there is a mismatch somewhere. I can find no way to get a reasonable ##c_p## with e.g. formula ##(23)## or ##(24)## with such coefficients $$9850.69*300^4 -48.6714*300^3+ 0.13736*300^2 -0.000127063*300 = 7.979 \times 10^{13}\ \ ?$$

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JD_PM said:
I am looking into NIST data for water; I checked both gas and condensed thermochemistry data but the coefficients don't match with the above.
The NIST data is for the Shomate equation, which is not polynomial (note the ##E/t^2## term).
 
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BvU said:
Still think there is a mismatch somewhere. I can find no way to get a reasonable ##c_p## with e.g. formula ##(23)## or ##(24)## with such coefficients $$9850.69*300^4 -48.6714*300^3+ 0.13736*300^2 -0.000127063*300 = 7.979 \times 10^{13}\ \ ?$$

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There are no formulas numbered 23 nor 24. Did you mean 7.4 here?
 
JD_PM said:
Just for the record, here's an explanation of the JANAF model
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/298450
 
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