Finding speed from position equation

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The discussion revolves around finding the speed of a particle given a space curve function r(t) = (cos2t)i + (3t - 1)j + (sin2t)k, as part of a calculus problem. The original poster expresses concern over a potential error in the solution provided by their teacher regarding the calculation of speed from the velocity vector.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the velocity and speed from the given function, leading to a discussion on the application of trigonometric identities. Some participants question the conditions under which the identity sin²x + cos²x = 1 can be applied, particularly in relation to coefficients and variable forms.

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Participants are exploring the validity of the original poster's calculations and the application of trigonometric identities. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the identity with coefficients, and there is acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion about the identity's applicability.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about their understanding of trigonometric identities, particularly in the context of their homework and the specific function they are working with. There is an indication of a learning opportunity regarding the application of mathematical principles in this scenario.

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Homework Statement


We just had a test in my calc 3 class, and I'm pretty sure my teacher has the wrong solution to one of the answers. The question is about finding the speed of a particle given a space curve function r(t) = (cos2t)i + (3t - 1)j + (sin2t)k.

Homework Equations


v(t) = (x',y',z')
|v(t)| = √(x' + y' + z')


The Attempt at a Solution


For velocity I get (-2sin2t)i + (3)j + (2cos2t)k. Now, for speed I put √(4sin22t + 4cos22t + 9) = 2(sin2t + cos2t) + 3. He marked it wrong saying that it can be reduced to √(4+9) = √(13). I was under the impression that the sin2x + cos2x = 1 identity only works if the variable stands alone in the function, as sin2t/cos2t calls for a double angle formula.
 
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\sqrt{a^2+b^2+c^2}\ne a+b+c

Under the radical, you had 4\sin^22t + 4\cos^22t + 9

This is equal to 4(\sin^22t + \cos^22t) + 9\ =\ 4(1)+9

Look like your professor was right.
 
Hmm I really never knew you could have any coefficient in front of x/t/whatever and still use the sin2x + cos2x = 1 identity. Oh well thanks a lot for the input
 
TehDarkArchon said:
I was under the impression that the sinx + cosx = 1 identity only works if the variable stands alone in the function, as sin2t/cos2t calls for a double angle formula.

I assume that you really meant sin2x + cos2x = 1.

If you have something like 9sin2(4x) + 9cos2(4x), you can factor out the 9 to get
9(sin2(4x) + cos2(4x)) = 9 * 1 = 9.

You don't have to expand sin(2x) or sin(4x) or whatever. The identity is sin2<whatever> + cos2<whatever> = 1, as long as the <whatever> is the same in both places.
 
Ahh okay thank you both. That's very helpful for the future, and I guess my ignorance here is due to the fact that I've never really worked with a function like that before, but upon reviewing the derivation for the identity it does make sense. I feel pretty stupid for asking something so trivial, but thanks again
 

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