Finding sum of infinite series

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The discussion revolves around finding the sum of an infinite series, specifically focusing on the decomposition of a polynomial in the denominator of a fraction. Participants are exploring the nuances of partial fraction decomposition and the implications of using the quadratic formula.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to sum the series as a telescoping sum and questions their understanding of the partial fraction decomposition. Some participants ask for clarification on the decomposition process and point out potential errors in the original poster's calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in identifying mistakes in the original poster's approach, particularly regarding the use of the quadratic formula and the scaling of factors. There is a productive exchange of insights, with some participants suggesting alternative methods to avoid similar errors in the future.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring that constant factors are not lost during calculations, and participants are discussing the implications of working with different forms of the polynomial. The original poster expresses a desire to improve their understanding of these concepts.

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[Please excuse the screengrabs of the fomulae - I'll get around to learning TeX someday!]

1. Homework Statement

Find the sum of this series (answer included - not the one I'm getting)
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The Attempt at a Solution


So I'm trying to sum this series as a telescoping sum. I decomposed the fraction and the partial sum collapses down to this:
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Then when I take the limit, the second term vanishes, leaving just the first term as the final value, i.e.:
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Needless to say 48/23 ≠ 3/23 :redface:
I can't see what I'm doing wrong - I've triple-checked everything & must be misunderstanding something fundamentally speaking. The partial fraction decomposition is (to the best of my / Wolfram A's knowledge) correct. Can anyone point out my mistake(s)?
 
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It's hidden in the part you didn't show us. Can you explain your decomposition of ##16x^2+40x+21## into two fractions?
 
fresh_42 said:
It's hidden in the part you didn't show us. Can you explain your decomposition of ##16x^2+40x+21## into two fractions?

Sure thing. I used the quadratic formula to find the roots of the polynomial in the denominator, & then decomposed the fraction - here's the process in detail:
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Yes, ##16x^2+40x+21=(4x+7)(4x+3)## and this gives the new denominators. But from the first to the second line is an unseen error, because the first equality in the second line is wrong by a factor ##16##.
 
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You have a mistake right off the bat.
$$\frac{12}{16x^2 + 40x + 21} \ne \frac{12}{(x + 3/4)(x + 7/4)}$$
You have lost two factors of 4 from the denominators on the right.
 
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Ok, I can see that now - so was my mistake to use the quadratic formula the same way I'd use it if the polynomial = 0, where I was kind of unconsciously dividing through by the 4 without realising? In other words, I should have:

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Does that even make sense? :bugeye:
 
Ryaners said:
Ok, I can see that now - so was my mistake to use the quadratic formula the same way I'd use it if the polynomial = 0, where I was kind of unconsciously dividing through by the 4 without realising? In other words, I should have:

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Does that even make sense? :bugeye:
No, this part of your calculation has been correct. You can work either with ##x+\frac{3}{4}\, , \,x+\frac{7}{4}## or with ##4x+3\, , \,4x+7##.
However, this has an effect to your nominators. Look again at the inequality @Mark44 pointed to in post #5 - make it an equality (with either denominators).
 
Ryaners said:
I'll get around to learning TeX someday!
We have a tutorial here: https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
You can be up an running in a short time. To see what I or fresh_42 did, right-click on any of the expressions we wrote, and choose "Show Math As.. " and "TeX Commands". This will show the LaTeX script we wrote.

In post #5 I wrote this:
##\frac{12}{16x^2 + 40x + 21} \ne \frac{12}{(x + 3/4)(x + 7/4)}##

The TeX script looks like this:
\frac{12}{16x^2 + 40x + 21} \ne \frac{12}{(x + 3/4)(x + 7/4)}
 
fresh_42 said:
No, this part of your calculation has been correct. You can work either with ##x+\frac{3}{4}\, , \,x+\frac{7}{4}## or with ##4x+3\, , \,4x+7##.
However, this has an effect to your nominators. Look again at the inequality @Mark44 pointed to in post #5 - make it an equality (with either denominators).
Right - so I should recognise once I find the roots that I might need to scale them by a third (constant) factor so I'm not changing the value of the expression? Just trying to get to the bottom of what mental shortcut I'm taking that I shouldn't be.

I had assumed that because the quadratic formula incorporated all the coefficients 'as they are' (i.e. a=16, b=40, c=21 in this case), the roots it 'spits out' would have included all that info. 'Course when I look at it I can see that the two expressions aren't equal (as pointed out by Mark44). I'm unclear on why that's the case, though. How can I make sure when I'm performing this kind of operation in future that I haven't magically eliminated a constant factor, like I did here?

Thanks for your help so far by the way :)
 
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Mark44 said:
We have a tutorial here: https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
You can be up an running in a short time. To see what I or fresh_42 did, right-click on any of the expressions we wrote, and choose "Show Math As.. " and "TeX Commands". This will show the LaTeX script we wrote.

In post #5 I wrote this:
##\frac{12}{16x^2 + 40x + 21} \ne \frac{12}{(x + 3/4)(x + 7/4)}##

The TeX script looks like this:
\frac{12}{16x^2 + 40x + 21} \ne \frac{12}{(x + 3/4)(x + 7/4)}

Fantastic, thank you! That looks much less difficult than I expected. :)
 
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Fractions aren't too complicated. Here are a couple of others that I frequently use:

Summations:
\sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac 1 {n^2}
In rendered form: ##\sum_{n = 1}^{\infty} \frac 1 {n^2}##

Integrals:
\int_{t = 0}^{10} t^2 + 3t~dt = \left.\frac{t^3}{3} + \frac{3t^2}{2}\right|_0^{10}
In rendered form: ##\int_{t = 0}^{10} t^2 + 3t~dt = \left.\frac{t^3}{3} + \frac{3t^2}{2}\right|_0^{10}##
 
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Ryaners said:
Right - so I should recognise once I find the roots that I might need to scale them by a third (constant) factor so I'm not changing the value of the expression? Just trying to get to the bottom of what mental shortcut I'm taking that I shouldn't be.
This is a matter of taste. Personally I like to work with equations ##1\cdot x^2 + px +q = 0## because I don't have to bother the scaling then.
I also use ##x_{1,2} = -\frac{p}{2} \pm \sqrt{(-\frac{p}{2})^2-q}## because I learned it this way, although mostly ##x_{1,2} = -\frac{1}{2}(p \pm \sqrt{p^2-4q})## is used. Once you have the decomposition, say ##(x+\frac{3}{4})\cdot (x+\frac{7}{4})##, simply make sure that you decomposed ##16x^2+40x+21=16(x^2+\frac{5}{2}+\frac{21}{16})= 16 \cdot (x+\frac{3}{4})\cdot (x+\frac{7}{4})## and not ##16x^2+40x+21=(4x+3)\cdot (4x+7)##. Until then and after this everything has been o.k. with your calculation. Maybe it's easiest to take the factor ##\frac{12}{16}## completely in front of all the rest and multiply the result at last again with it. This way the algorithmic procedure doesn't have to consider the scaling factor. But as I said above: it's a matter of taste. Find a way that minimizes potential mistakes for you.
 
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What do you get if you reduce ##\frac{3}{4x+3}-\frac{3}{4x+7}## to a common denominator?
 
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fresh_42 said:
This is a matter of taste. Personally I like to work with equations ##1\cdot x^2 + px +q = 0## because I don't have to bother the scaling then.
I also use ##x_{1,2} = -\frac{p}{2} \pm \sqrt{(-\frac{p}{2})^2-q}## because I learned it this way, although mostly ##x_{1,2} = -\frac{1}{2}(p \pm \sqrt{p^2-4q})## is used. Once you have the decomposition, say ##(x+\frac{3}{4})\cdot (x+\frac{7}{4})##, simply make sure that you decomposed ##16x^2+40x+21=16(x^2+\frac{5}{2}+\frac{21}{16})= 16 \cdot (x+\frac{3}{4})\cdot (x+\frac{7}{4})## and not ##16x^2+40x+21=(4x+3)\cdot (4x+7)##. Until then and after this everything has been o.k. with your calculation. Maybe it's easiest to take the factor ##\frac{12}{16}## completely in front of all the rest and multiply the result at last again with it. This way the algorithmic procedure doesn't have to consider the scaling factor. But as I said above: it's a matter of taste. Find a way that minimizes potential mistakes for you.

Yes! Ok! This is making sense now. So the safest thing to do is to put the quadratic in a form where the coefficient of the x2 term is 1 before applying the quadratic formula, so you don't lose track of any constant factors while finding the roots. That's exactly the insight I was looking for, thanks for your help :)
 
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Chestermiller said:
What do you get if you reduce ##\frac{3}{4x+3}-\frac{3}{4x+7}## to a common denominator?
I get it now, thanks for your input :)
 

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