Finding tangent lines to an ellipse that pass through a given point

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The problem involves finding the equations of tangent lines to the ellipse defined by x² + 4y² = 36 that pass through the point (12, 3). The discussion centers around the use of implicit differentiation and the relationships between points on the ellipse and the slopes of the tangent lines.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of implicit differentiation to find the derivative of the ellipse and question the correctness of the derived expressions for points on the ellipse. There is exploration of the slope of the tangent lines and how to set up the equations relating the tangent lines to the given point.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the geometry of the ellipse and the nature of the tangent lines, including the identification of horizontal tangents. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, with attempts to derive the necessary equations without reaching a consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints regarding the use of computational algebra systems (CAS) and express uncertainty about the correct forms of equations and slopes involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement


Find the equations of all the tangent lines to x^2 + 4y^2 = 36 that pass through the point (12,3)


Homework Equations


the derivative of the ellipse is dy/dx = -2x/8y
(I'm not sure if that is correct, i have only recently learned implicit differentiation.)


The Attempt at a Solution


Using a point on the ellipse as ( x , +- ((6 - x) /2)) and the point which was given, i used the slope formula for a line and then set that equal to the derivative. However, now I'm left with 2 variables, x and y. I am 100% positive that we aren't suppose to use a CAS to solve this question. Could someone please help me out:redface:
 
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Your equation for y at a point on the ellipse is wrong. The square root of (36 - x^2)/4 is not equal to (6 - x)/2.

I drew a quick sketch of the ellipse and found that its vertices are at (0, +/-3) and at (+/-6, 0). One of the tangent lines is horizontal.
 
then a point on the ellipse would be (x , root of (36 - x^2)/4 ) correct?. but even then wouldn't that leave me with the same problem when i set m = m
 
Any point on the ellipse is (x, +/-sqrt((36 - x^2)/4).

The equation of the line is
-\frac{\sqrt{36 - x^2}}{2} - 3 = \frac{x}{2\sqrt{36 - x^2}}(x - 12)
For the first expression on the left side, I chose the negative root, since I want a negative y value at the point of tangency in the fourth quadrant.
Multiply both sides by the expression in the denominator on the right side.
-(36 - x^2) - 6\sqrt{36 - x^2} = x^2 - 12x
Now move everything but the radical to the other side.
- 6\sqrt{36 - x^2} = - 12x + 36
Simplify a bit.
\sqrt{36 - x^2} = 2x - 6
Square both sides.
36 - x^2 = 4x^2 - 24x + 36
5x^2 - 24x = 0
The last expression on the left side can be factored to give the x-values that are on the line, and that have the right slope. As it turned out, I didn't need to be concerned about using a negative expression for the y-value in the 4th quadrant, because I squared both sides later on. You do need to take into account that the y-value is negative at one point of tangency, though.
 

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