Finding the amount of work done (line integrals)

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the work done by a force field along a specified curve, defined by the equation y = 4 - x², as a point moves from (2, 0) to (1, 3). The force is given as F = (x - y, x).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up the work integral using the given force and curve but receives feedback that their approach may not be appropriate for the problem's dimensionality.
  • Some participants question the method of integrating in two dimensions instead of using a single parameter for the curve.
  • There is a suggestion to express the integral in terms of x, considering y as a function of x, and to derive dy accordingly.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the setup of the integral and the dimensionality of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to parameterize the integral correctly. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion regarding their method.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication that the original poster may have misunderstood the dimensionality of the problem, leading to an incorrect setup of the integral. The discussion includes a focus on ensuring the integral is expressed in terms of a single parameter.

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Homework Statement



Find the amount of work (ω) done by moving a point from (2;0) to (1;3) along the curve y=4-(x^2), in the effect of force F=(x-y;x).

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The Attempt at a Solution



ω = ∫((x-y)dx + xdy)

ω = ∫(x-4+x^2)dx + ∫√(4-y) dy

In the end, I get this: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28integrate+%28x-4%2Bx^2%29+from+1+to+2%29+%2B+%28integrate+sqrt%284-y%29+from+0+to+3%29
with the final answer 4,5. Is it correct?
 
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No, that is not correct. In fact, your entire method is wrong. This is a one dimensional problem (a curve) and you are doing a two dimensional integral. In general, you need to write the integral in terms of a single parameter. Here, since we have y equals a function of x, we can use x itself as that parameter.

On the curve y= 4- x^2, dy= -2x dx. So (x- y) dx= (x- 4+ x^2) dx and xdy= -2x^2 dx That is,
\int_{(2, 0)}^{(1, 3)} (x- y)dx+ xdy= \int_{x=2}^1 (x^2+ x- 4- 2x^2)dx= \int_{x=2}^1 (-x^3+ x- 4)dx
 
I thought I must have chosen a wrong method. Thank you very much for giving such a thorough answer.
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, that is not correct. In fact, your entire method is wrong. This is a one dimensional problem (a curve) and you are doing a two dimensional integral. In general, you need to write the integral in terms of a single parameter. Here, since we have y equals a function of x, we can use x itself as that parameter.

On the curve y= 4- x^2, dy= -2x dx. So (x- y) dx= (x- 4+ x^2) dx and xdy= -2x^2 dx That is,
\int_{(2, 0)}^{(1, 3)} (x- y)dx+ xdy= \int_{x=2}^1 (x^2+ x- 4- 2x^2)dx= \int_{x=2}^1 (-x^3+ x- 4)dx

just wanted to ask

i'm hoping to become a regular around here and I was hoping that you could tell me how you set out your equations in those graphics?

thanks a lot
 

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