Finding the angular momentum using the inertia tensor/matrix

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The problem involves calculating the angular momentum of a thin ring with a variable linear mass density, constrained to rotate with a constant angular velocity. The original poster seeks to find the angular momentum using both the inertia tensor and direct integration methods.

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  • Participants discuss the need to account for the variable density function in calculating the moment of inertia. There are questions about the correctness of integral limits and the choice of variables for integration, considering the geometry of the ring.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising concerns about the treatment of the density in calculations and the appropriateness of the integration approach. Multiple interpretations of the setup and calculations are being explored, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is a focus on the implications of using a variable density function for the moment of inertia and the potential confusion arising from mixing coordinate systems in the integration process.

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Homework Statement


A thin ring of radius r is constrained to rotate with constant angular velocity ω as shown in attached picture. Let the linear mass density of the ring be ρ(θ)=ρ0(2+sin2θ) where ρ0 is constant.

a) Find the angular momentum L of the ring about O, at the instant the ring is in the xy plane as shown. Answer this part twice: (i) by using the moments and products of inertia Iij, and (ii) by directly integrating L=∫dmr x v.
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Homework Equations


The moment of inertia tensor/ matrix.
L==ntransposeIn

The Attempt at a Solution


Not sure if I am starting this problem properly, attached below is my attempt.
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Knowing that I must plug these moments and products of India inside the tensor matrix.

Please help
 
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When you calculated the moment of inertia Ixx, you treated the density of the ring, ρ, as a constant. According to the OP, ρ(θ) = ρo(2+sin2θ), where ρo is a constant. If you are going to calculate the MOI matrix for the ring, you must take this arbitrary density function into account. This extends even to calculating the mass of the ring.
 
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SteamKing said:
When you calculated the moment of inertia Ixx, you treated the density of the ring, ρ, as a constant. According to the OP, ρ(θ) = ρo(2+sin2θ), where ρo is a constant. If you are going to calculate the MOI matrix for the ring, you must take this arbitrary density function into account. This extends even to calculating the mass of the ring.

Thank you.

But are my integral limits correct considering it is a ring? Moreover, shall I integrate with respect to y, x, and/or θ, or just one variable?
 
shanepitts said:
Thank you.

But are my integral limits correct considering it is a ring? Moreover, shall I integrate with respect to y, x, and/or θ, or just one variable?
I don't think so.

You seem to have integrands which use cartesian coordinates while the limits appear to be expressed in polar coordinates (what does x = 2πr mean? Isn't that the circumference of the ring?)
 
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SteamKing said:
I don't think so.

You seem to have integrands which use cartesian coordinates while the limits appear to be expressed in polar coordinates (what does x = 2πr mean? Isn't that the circumference of the ring?)

Thanks.
 

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