Finding the Equation of a Stream on a Hill Using Multivariable Calculus

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The problem involves finding the equation of a stream on a hill described by the height function h(x,y) = 40(4 + x² + 3y²)⁻¹. The stream passes through the point (1,1,5) and follows the steepest descent, prompting a discussion on how to derive the equation of the stream using multivariable calculus concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relevance of the tangent plane and the gradient of the height function in determining the direction of steepest descent. There are attempts to relate the gradient to the slope of the stream's path and to parametrize the solution curve.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using the gradient to compute the slope of the steepest descent and suggested methods for setting up a differential equation. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the gradient and the stream's path, with some participants questioning the integration steps and the use of initial conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the stream passing through the specific point (1,1,5) and discuss how this condition affects the integration constants in their equations. There is acknowledgment of potential typos and clarifications regarding the mathematical expressions used.

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Homework Statement


The height of a hill is given as the following:
[tex] h \left( x,y \right) =40\, (\left( 4+{x}^{2}+3\,{y}^{2} \right) ^{-1})[/tex]

There's a stream passes the point (1,1,5) which is on the surface of h. The stream follows the steepest descent. Find the equation of the stream.

Homework Equations


I take this is relevant to the tangent hyperplane of a surface.

Tangent plane at point a is: f(a)+gradient(f(a)) dot (x-a)

The Attempt at a Solution


I think the path of the stream is the intersection of the surface h and a plane orthogonal to the tangent plane at point (1,1,5), but I'm not sure.
 
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The tangent plane has many different orthogonal planes. You are thinking in too many dimensions. Just regard h as a function of x,y. Then the gradient of h will point in the direction of most rapid change of h.
 
So I take the gradient of h at point (1,1), which gives me grad(a)=(-10,-30). But the path of the stream isn't going to be a straight line, is it? How do I get the equation of the stream using only the gradient and the point at which the gradient is taken?
 
No, it isn't going to be a straight line. Can you see how to use the gradient vector to compute the slope of steepest descent direction at an arbitrary point (x,y)? Then parametrize the solution curve as (x(t),y(t)). The slope of this solution curve is y'(t)/x'(t)=dy/dx. Equate the two slopes and solve the differential equation.
 
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Forgive me I'm not used to differential equations. Here's what I've got:
The gradient of a point (x,y) on the surface is (-80x/_blah_, -240y/_blah_). So the slope at (x,y) is -240y/-80x=-3y/x. this should be equal to dy/dx. Move sides =>dy/y=3dx/x, integrate both sides, ln(y)=ln(x)+C. Am I on the right track?

Thanks.
 
kekido said:
Forgive me I'm not used to differential equations. Here's what I've got:
The gradient of a point (x,y) on the surface is (-80x/_blah_, -240y/_blah_). So the slope at (x,y) is -240y/-80x=-3y/x. this should be equal to dy/dx. Move sides =>dy/y=3dx/x, integrate both sides, ln(y)=ln(x)+C. Am I on the right track?

Thanks.

You are very much on the right track. But what happened to the '3'?
 
Dick said:
You are very much on the right track. But what happened to the '3'?

Oops...that was a typo. It's supposed to be ln(y)=3ln(x)+C.

However, I haven't used the fact that the stream passes through point (1,1,5) yet...Can I just plug in the point into the equation: ln(1)=3ln(1)+C, then C=0. Therefore, is the equation of the stream ln(y)=3ln(x)?

Thanks.
 
kekido said:
Oops...that was a typo. It's supposed to be ln(y)=3ln(x)+C.

However, I haven't used the fact that the stream passes through point (1,1,5) yet...Can I just plug in the point into the equation: ln(1)=3ln(1)+C, then C=0. Therefore, is the equation of the stream ln(y)=3ln(x)?

Thanks.

Yes and yes. If you exponentiate both sides you can get a simpler expression.
 
Great! Thanks a lot man.
 

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