Finding the Error in z for q = -0.6 \pm 10\% and z = 0.2

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The discussion revolves around finding the error in the variable z within the context of the equation q = (z(z+2) - 2DH) / z^2, given that q = -0.6 ± 10% and z = 0.2. The values for D and H are known exactly, and participants are exploring how to determine the error in z that aligns with the specified error in q.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rewriting the equation in terms of z and consider how the plus/minus affects the calculations. There are attempts to differentiate the equation to find the error in z based on the error in q. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their calculations and the relative size of the error obtained.

Discussion Status

There are multiple approaches being explored, including differentiation and direct substitution. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of DH and the differentiation process, but participants are still questioning the accuracy of their results and the implications of the small error found.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that D and H are known exactly, which may influence their calculations. The discussion includes considerations of relative error and the implications of the small error in z.

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Homework Statement



For the equation q = \frac{z(z+2) - 2DH}{z^2} q = -0.6 \pm 10\% , and z = 0.2.
D and H are known exactly.
I have to find the error in z that will give an answer of q = -0.6 \pm 10\%

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have considered rewriting the equation in terms of z, which gives
z = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{1-2DH(q-1)}}{q-1}
but I'm not sure where to go with that, how the plus/minus affects it, and what to do with D and H (if anything).

I've tried to do (error in q * 0.5) / (error in q) which gives an answer for z of 0.2 \pm 10\% but that seems a bit too simple
 
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Kyrios said:

Homework Statement



For the equation q = \frac{z(z+2) - 2DH}{z^2} q = -0.6 \pm 10\% , and z = 0.2.
D and H are known exactly.
I have to find the error in z that will give an answer of q = -0.6 \pm 10\%

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I have considered rewriting the equation in terms of z, which gives
z = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{1-2DH(q-1)}}{q-1}
It is not needed. You know that z=0.2. From that, you can determine DH. You know also q and its error.
The error of z can be obtained by differentiating both sides of the equation
q = \frac{z(z+2) - 2DH}{z^2}
\Delta q =\frac {dq}{dz}\Delta z Substitute z, DH, and ##\Delta q##. Solve for ##\Delta z##.

ehild
 
so I get this:

DH = \frac{z(z+2) - z^2 q}{2} = 0.232
\frac{dq}{dz} = \frac{4DH - 2z}{z^3} = 66
\Delta q = \frac{dq}{dz} \Delta z
\Delta z = \frac{0.06}{66} = 9 \times 10^{-4}

The error seems really small..?
 
It is almost right. You made some small mistake when calculating DH. Check.

The error is small, but z=0.2, so its relative error is about 0.5 %.

ehild
 

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