Finding the Jordan decomposition

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The discussion revolves around finding the Jordan decomposition of a linear transformation T defined by specific actions on a basis of vectors. Participants are exploring the relationship between the transformation's matrix representation and its decomposition into a triangular matrix and an invertible matrix.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find a new basis that leads to a triangular matrix representation and question the implications of having zeros on the diagonal. There is exploration of specific choices for the new basis and their impact on the resulting matrices.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the definitions of the matrices involved in the Jordan decomposition, while others express uncertainty about the terminology and the properties of the matrices being discussed. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the transformation's characteristics and the decomposition process.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the minimal polynomial of the transformation and the implications of degenerate eigenvalues on the basis formed by eigenvectors. The definitions of the matrices D and N are also under discussion, highlighting the need for clarity on their roles in the decomposition.

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Homework Statement


I have a linear transformation T defined by
$$
T(v_{1})=v_{1}+iv_{2}\\
T(v_{2})=-iv_{1}+v_{2}\\
$$
and I want to find a triangular matrix B of T and an invertible matrix S such that SB=AS where A is the matrix of T with respect to the basis ##\{v_{1},v_{2}\}##.

The Attempt at a Solution


The matrix A is
$$
\begin{pmatrix}
1 & -i \\
i & 1 \\
\end{pmatrix}.
$$
From the proof of the triangular form theorem, I know that I need to find a new basis ##\{w_{1},w_{2}\}## such that ##Tw_{1}=0## and ##(T-2)w_{2}=0## since the minimal polynomial is ##m(T)=T(T-2)=0## but I must be messing something up because there is no way I can create a triangular matrix B from ##w_{1}## and ##w_{2}##. If I find a linear combination of ##v_{1},v_{2}## equal to ##w_{1}## such that ##Tw_{1}=0## then the first column of my matrix B would always be 0.
 
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It's okay to have zeros on the diagonal.
 
vela said:
It's okay to have zeros on the diagonal.

Hmm. I am choosing the new basis ##w_{1}=v_{1}-iv_{2}## and ##w_{2}=v_{1}+iv_{2}## which gives me
$$
B=\begin{pmatrix}
0 & 0 \\
0 & 2 \\
\end{pmatrix}
$$
and
$$
S=\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 1 \\
-i & i \\
\end{pmatrix}
$$
which gives me the SB=AS that I need but then when I do the Jordan decomposition is it okay to have
$$
D=\begin{pmatrix}
0 & 0 \\
0 & 2 \\
\end{pmatrix}
$$
and
$$
N=\begin{pmatrix}
0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 \\
\end{pmatrix}
$$
so that T=D+N?
 
I'm afraid I'm not familiar with what you're trying to do. D, I assume, is supposed to be a diagonal matrix. What is N defined to be?
 
vela said:
I'm afraid I'm not familiar with what you're trying to do. D, I assume, is supposed to be a diagonal matrix. What is N defined to be?

I am trying to find the Jordan Decomposition of T. That is what it is called in my book. From a quick search it doesn't look like it goes by the name of Jordan Decomposition on wikipedia.

In my book D is defined to be a diagonalizable linear transformation while N is defined to be a nilpotent linear transformation such that T=D+N.
 
Your N is definitely nilpotent, so that decomposition looks fine to me. Since the transformation you were given doesn't have degenerate eigenvalues, the associated eigenvectors will form a basis, and you should expect the similarity transformation to yield a diagonal matrix and to therefore have N=0.

If you had degenerate eigenvalues, it's then possible that the eigenvectors won't form a basis, and you'd have to resort to generalized eigenvectors. In this case, the similarity transformation would yield an almost-diagonal matrix, the so-called Jordan normal form, and N would have non-zero entries just above some of the diagonal elements.
 
DeadOriginal said:
I am trying to find the Jordan Decomposition of T. That is what it is called in my book. From a quick search it doesn't look like it goes by the name of Jordan Decomposition on wikipedia.
It seems to go by the name Jordan-Chevalley decomposition.
 

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