Finding the Minimum Velocity for Sustaining Flight Using Dimensional Analysis

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The discussion centers on determining the minimum velocity required for an object to sustain flight, expressed as a function of its mass. The lift and drag forces are proportional to the object's velocity squared, leading to the equation Mg ∝ W(M^k)². This results in the conclusion that k = 1/2, indicating that the minimum velocity scales with the square root of the mass (v_l(min) ∝ √M). Some participants express concerns about the simplicity of the approach, suggesting that assumptions about constant density and linear scaling of wing and cross-sectional areas might need to be considered. Overall, the derived relationship aligns with physical intuition regarding the effects of mass on flight velocity.
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Homework Statement



An flying object of mass M experiences a lift force and a drag force dependent on the it's velocity:

F_{l} \propto Wv^{2}
F_{d} \propto Av^{2}

Where W and A are wing surface area and "cross-sectional" area.

To sustain flight the object must fly at a minimum velocity which scales as M^{k} where k is a constant.

What is k?

Homework Equations



For the object to remain in flight it must produce a lift force equal or greater than it's weight i.e.

Mg = F_{l(min)} \propto Wv^{2}

The Attempt at a Solution

I have found an answer but I'm not too happy with how I got there. Basically, I subbed the scaling factor for minimum velocity into the above equation:

Mg \propto W(M^{k})^{2} \propto WM^{2k}

As the left side only has mass to the power 1 and the right has mass to the power 2k we can get:

2k=1

So k = 1/2 or v_{l(min)} \propto \sqrt{M}.

This results makes some sense to me physically, but I'm not happy with my approach as it seems a bit simplistic.
 
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Beer-monster said:

Homework Statement



An flying object of mass M experiences a lift force and a drag force dependent on the it's velocity:

F_{l} \propto Wv^{2}
F_{d} \propto Av^{2}

Where W and A are wing surface area and "cross-sectional" area.

To sustain flight the object must fly at a minimum velocity which scales as M^{k} where k is a constant.

What is k?

Homework Equations



For the object to remain in flight it must produce a lift force equal or greater than it's weight i.e.

Mg = F_{l(min)} \propto Wv^{2}



The Attempt at a Solution




I have found an answer but I'm not too happy with how I got there. Basically, I subbed the scaling factor for minimum velocity into the above equation:

Mg \propto W(M^{k})^{2} \propto WM^{2k}

As the left side only has mass to the power 1 and the right has mass to the power 2k we can get:

2k=1

So k = 1/2 or v_{l(min)} \propto \sqrt{M}.

This results makes some sense to me physically, but I'm not happy with my approach as it seems a bit simplistic.

Seems fine to me. If you increase the mass by a factor of ##2## you need to increase the velocity by a factor of ##\sqrt{2}##, all else being fixed. What seems simplistic about it to you?
 
Maybe you are supposed to assume that the object is to be scaled linearly at constant density. Thus W and A will also change.
 
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