Finding the phase angle in simple harmonic motion

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In the discussion about finding the phase angle in simple harmonic motion, the user successfully calculated the amplitude of a block-spring system as 1.10 m using the formula A = √(x_i² + v_i²/ω²). However, they struggled with determining the phase angle, initially calculating it as 1.49 radians but later realizing it should be π/2 radians due to a sign error in their velocity equation. The user acknowledged that rounding errors can significantly impact results, especially when computed values are not precise. They expressed frustration over the confusion caused by directionality in their calculations. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the importance of accuracy and attention to detail in physics problems.
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A frictionless block of mass 2.35 kg is attached to an ideal spring with force constant 310 N/m. At t=0 the spring is neither stretched nor compressed and the block is moving in the negative direction at a speed of 12.6 m/s.

1. Find the amplitude.

I got this without a problem. I used the formula A = square root of x_i^2 + v_i^2/\omega^2. \omega = \sqrt{k/m} = 11.49 rad/s. Plugging in known values results in 1.10 m, which is correct.

2. Find the phase angle.

Here's where I don't know why my answer is not correct.

I use the equation v_i = -\omega * A * sin(\omega*t + \phi). I know the initial velocity, I know the angular frequency, and I know the amplitude. I'm solving for the angle in radians.

-12.6 = -(11.49)(1.10)(sin(\phi) This is at time t, so \omega * t = 0.

I get \phi = 85.5 ^\circ. Converting it into radians, it's 1.49 (rad).

This isn't right, though.
 
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If your numbers were computed a bit more accurately, you'd get:
-12.6 = - (12.6) \sin \phi, or
1 = \sin \phi, thus \phi = \pi /2 (radians)
 
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My response is, "My answer is off by an additive constant."

I'm solving for a phase angle here, \phi. What additive constant could possibly exist?
 
I messed up the sign in my previous post (D'oh!); your first answer was close. (See my correction.)
 
Thanks. My idea of direction was screwed up, but it didn't matter for the first part of the question because velocity is squared.

Round once too many and the error becomes greater than two percent. Argh.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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