Finding the positive x-value on a hyperbola

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The discussion focuses on solving the hyperbola defined by the equation y² - 3xy + 2x² = 4 using Newton's Method to find the positive x-value where y = 1. Participants emphasized the importance of substituting y = 1 into the equation to derive f(x) = 0, which leads to a quadratic equation. They recommended sketching the curve to identify a suitable starting point for the Newton iterations, ensuring convergence to the positive x-value without overshooting. The final solution was successfully achieved by applying these methods.

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Homework Statement


The curve y^2-3xy+2x^2=4 is a hyperbola with axes rotated from the standard position. Use Newton's Method to find the positive x-value to four decimal places for the point on the hyperbola where y=1.


Homework Equations


Newton's Method



The Attempt at a Solution


I found the first part of Newton's Method by finding the derivative of the equation given, but I don't know how to find f(x) to finish of the formula. I've figured that you can simply plug the y-value into the given equation, make it equal to zero, and then plug it in for f(x), but then I do not know the starting value to use for x. I know how to use Newton's Method and find the derivative, but for this question I just don't know how to find f(x) and the starting x-value needed to solve for the answer. Any help you guys can give would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.
 
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hi emethyst

first substitute y = 1 into your equation and rearrange for

so it looks like
f(x) = 0
and you want to find x that satisfies the equation

this will be a quadratic so you could in fact solve it, and use the quadratic equation as a check

then think about a negative parabola (which is what f(x) is...) where would you want to pick a point so that you Newton iterations find the positive x value & don't over shoot in the process

doing an approximate curve sketch might help...
what is the turning point, and where does the curve intersect f(x) axis when x is zero, should be enough to pick a reasonable point
 
Thanks for all the help lanedance, I can say I successfully solved that question now :smile:
 

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