Finding the Smallest N for a Precise Partial Sum in a Series

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The discussion revolves around finding the smallest positive integer N such that the partial sum of an alternating series is within a specified tolerance of the actual series sum. The series in question is defined by the terms 2(-1/4)^(n-1), and participants are exploring the implications of the alternating nature of the series on error estimation.

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  • Participants discuss the need to find N such that the absolute value of the next term in the series is less than 10^-10. There are questions about how to handle the negative base in logarithmic calculations and the correct interpretation of the series sum versus the partial sum.

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Some participants have offered guidance on using the absolute value of the terms in the series for error estimation. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to take the natural logarithm after addressing the absolute value, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to maintain the precision of the partial sum relative to the actual sum, and the implications of the alternating series on error estimation.

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determine the smallest positive integer N such that the partial sum is within 10^-10 of the series sum.

{Sigma} 2(-1/4)^(n-1) < 10^-10

ok divide the 2 out

(-1/4)^(n-1) < 5^-10


I know i have to take the natural log like so:
(n-1) ln|-1/4| < nl|5^-10|

But there's the negative 1/4, how do i get it to be positive? i get the right answer when its positive but I am not sure how to do it.
 
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It's an alternating series sum{a_n}. You have an error estimate for the partial sum up to n in terms of |a_(n+1)|. Note the absolute value.
 
mattmannmf said:
determine the smallest positive integer N such that the partial sum is within 10^-10 of the series sum.

{Sigma} 2(-1/4)^(n-1) < 10^-10
Is [itex]\sum 2 (-1/4)^{n-1}[/itex] the sum? You have stated this wrong- you don't want the partial sum, which is what you have here, to be less than [itex]10^{-10}[/itex], you want its difference from the actual sum to be less than [itex]10^{-10}[/itex] but have then done that.

One way to do that is to find the actual sum. That is not difficult because this is a "geometric" series and there is a formula for the sum.

But, better, as Dick says, because this is alternating + and -, the "error" is always less than the next term. You just want to find n so that the absolute value of the next term is less than [itex]10^{-10}[/itex]

ok divide the 2 out

(-1/4)^(n-1) < 5^-10


I know i have to take the natural log like so:
(n-1) ln|-1/4| < nl|5^-10|

But there's the negative 1/4, how do i get it to be positive? i get the right answer when its positive but I am not sure how to do it.
[tex]\left|\left(-\frac{1}{4}\right)^{n-1}\right|= \left(\frac{1}{4}\right)^{n-1}< 5^{-10}[/tex]
 
so all i have to do is take the absolute value, THEN take the natural log? and solve from there pretty much
 
mattmannmf said:
so all i have to do is take the absolute value, THEN take the natural log? and solve from there pretty much

Pretty much, yes. Provided you understand why that works.
 

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