Finding the Tensions using the sum of moments

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The discussion revolves around determining the tensions in cables BD and BE of a tower using the sum of moments about a fixed support point A. The problem involves applying principles of static equilibrium to a structural mechanics scenario, focusing on the calculations required to achieve equilibrium in the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the need to apply the sum of moments about point A, indicating that the moments from all cable tensions must equal zero for equilibrium.
  • Another participant clarifies that the moment from cable tension BC is about the z-axis and provides the general equations for moments about different axes, suggesting that the components of the cable forces must be determined to solve for the unknown tensions.
  • A participant seeks clarification on how to set up the equations for the tensions in cables BE and BD, questioning whether to consider the tensions only in the x-z plane and how to find the distances relevant to the tensions.
  • Further discussion emphasizes the geometric relationships of the cable tensions and their components, noting that the equations will simplify due to certain lever arms being zero and suggesting the use of geometry to find the cable tensions after solving the moment equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of using the sum of moments for equilibrium but express uncertainty regarding the specific setup of equations and the geometric relationships involved in determining the tensions in cables BE and BD. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple viewpoints on how to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for careful attention to the geometric relationships and signs in the equations, indicating potential complexities in the calculations. There is also a recognition that the problem involves multiple steps and assumptions that have not been fully articulated.

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Homework Statement


The tower is 70 m tall. If the tension in cable BC is
2 kN, and you want to adjust the tensions in cable
BD and BE so that the couple exerted on the tower
by the fixed support at A is zero.

A) Determine the tensions in cable BD and BE
by applying the sum of the moments about
point A .

The Coordinates in meters
B(0,70,0)
A(0,0,0)
C(-50,0,0)
D(20,0,50)
E(40,0,-40)



Homework Equations



M=Fd

The Attempt at a Solution



Well I know that I have to solve by taking the sum of the moments about A. That means that the Moment about A of Tension BC + Moment about A of Tension BD + Moment about A of Tension BE = 0
and The moment about A of Tension BC is nothing more than the Fx of Tension BC about the distance from point A to B. So That means I find the angle that Tension BC makes to the tower get my Fx and times it by the tower distance. So now what do I need to do next. Looking for the next step.
 
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You are correct so far. Note that the moment about A from the cable tension BC is about the z axis (the axis into the plane), that is, M_z (from the force BC) is (F_x)(y). Also note that for equilibrium, the sum of all moments M_z from all the cable forces must be 0, and the sum of all moments M_x from all the cable forces about the x-axis must be zero. In general, M_z = F_x(y) + (F_y)(x), and M_x = (F_y)z + F_z(y), (and M_y = F_x(z) + F_z(x), which you don't need in this problem, since x and z are 0). So just determine those F_x and F_z components of each cable force, and solve the resulting equilibrium equations for the unknown values.
 
So what I need to do to find the Tensions of BE and BD I need to set up the Tension times the Perpendicular distance to point A?
Do I need to take the tensions and place them as if they are only in the x-z plane?
I guess what I am trying to figure out is how do I need to go about to get the distance relative to the tensions?
I can see that I have two equations from M about the z axis and M about the x axis. Requiring the use of the substitution method of one of the moments above.
 
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So what I need to do to find the Tensions of BE and BD I need to set up the Tension times the Perpendicular distance to point A?
Do I need to take the tensions and place them as if they are only in the x-z plane?
I guess what I am trying to figure out is how do I need to go about to get the distance relative to the tensions?
I can see that I have two equations from M about the z axis and M about the x axis. Requiring the use of the substitution method of one of the moments above.
Yes, that's a good way of doing it. Look at the guyed tower in a plan view from the top. Each cable tension BE and BD will have an x and z component, which are geometrically/trigonometrically related. The equations will simplify a bit since the x and z lever arms are 0. When you solve the simultaneous equilibrium of moments equations, you'll get the x and z components of the unknown cable tensions. Then you'll have to use more geometry/trig to get the cable tensions in the guys. It's kind of tough to keep it straight. And watch your plus and minus signs.
 

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