Finding |z1| when |z1-2z2 / 2-z1z2*| = 1 and |z2| ≠ 1

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The discussion revolves around finding the modulus of a complex number |z1| given the condition that the expression |(z1 - 2z2) / (2 - z1z2*)| equals 1, while also noting that |z2| is not equal to 1. The problem is situated within the context of complex numbers and their properties.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the unimodulus condition and explore algebraic manipulations, such as squaring both sides of the equation. There are attempts to express relationships between |z1| and |z2|, with some participants expressing confusion about the next steps after deriving an equation.

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The discussion has progressed with participants sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some have expressed uncertainty about how to proceed after deriving an equation, while others have provided hints and encouragement. A participant has indicated they found a solution, but the discussion remains open to further exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of complex numbers and the conditions imposed by the problem, particularly the non-unimodulus condition of z2.

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Homework Statement


If [itex]\frac{z_1-2z_2}{2-z_1\overline{z}_2}[/itex] is unimodulus and z2 is not unimodulus, then find |z1|.

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I am a complete dumb at Complex numbers, please someone guide me in the right direction.
In this question, what i understand is this, and nothing else.
[tex]|\frac{z_1-2z_2}{2-z_1\overline{z}_2}|=1[/tex]
and
[tex]|z_2|≠1[/tex]
 
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It should be [itex]|z_2| \ne 1[/itex] and
[tex]\left\lvert \frac{z_1-2z_2}{2-z_1\overline{z}_2} \right\rvert = 1[/tex]Square both sides and use the fact that [itex]|z|^2 = z\bar z[/itex].

EDIT: Also |w/z| = 1 means |w|=|z|.
 
vela said:
It should be [itex]|z_2| \ne 1[/itex] and
[tex]\left\lvert \frac{z_1-2z_2}{2-z_1\overline{z}_2} \right\rvert = 1[/tex]Square both sides and use the fact that [itex]|z|^2 = z\bar z[/itex].

Thanks for the reply vela! :smile:

I squared both the sides and using the fact [itex]|z|^2 = z\bar z[/itex], i get:-
[tex]|z_1|^2+4|z_2|^2=4+|z_1|^2|z_2|^2[/tex]

But now i am stuck here. :(
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Thanks for the reply vela! :smile:

I squared both the sides and using the fact [itex]|z|^2 = z\bar z[/itex], i get:-
[tex]|z_1|^2+4|z_2|^2=4+|z_1|^2|z_2|^2[/tex]

But now i am stuck here. :(

:) Follow your nose: if it was

x + 4y = 4 + xy

and you had to find x, what would you do?
 
Simon Bridge said:
:) Follow your nose: if it was

x + 4y = 4 + xy

and you had to find x, what would you do?

I still don't understand. :(

Can you give me one more hint? :)
 
Thank you both for the help. I have figured it out. :)

x+4y=4+xy
or x-xy=4-4y
or x(1-y)=4(1-y)
or x=4
or |z1|=2.

Thanks again. :)
 
Well done!

For dessert:

[tex]z = \left ( \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} i \right )^{12}[/tex]
...rewrite z in it's simplest form (it will be exact).
 
Simon Bridge said:
Well done!

For dessert:

[tex]z = \left ( \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} i \right )^{12}[/tex]
...rewrite z in it's simplest form (it will be exact).

z=-1. :)
 
Sweet dessert: That one is usually nasty because everyone tries to brute-force it. :)
 

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