First ever recorded planetary engulfment

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The discussion centers around the observations made by NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope regarding what is believed to be the first recorded planetary engulfment event. Participants explore the implications of the findings, including the characteristics of the star and planet involved, as well as the nature of the accretion disk and the dynamics of the event.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the observations suggest a hot accretion disk surrounding the star, with an expanding cloud of cooler dust.
  • It is proposed that the planet, roughly the size of Jupiter, experienced heavy disruption due to grazing impacts with the stellar atmosphere.
  • One participant highlights that the final impact resulted in ejecta being flung into space, some of which formed a ring around the star.
  • There is a discussion about the star's mass being in the range of the Sun, with the planet likely being less than ten times Jupiter's mass, indicating that the star did not expand into a red giant to engulf the planet.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the model's dependence on several assumptions, suggesting that the details may be more model-dependent than initially indicated by the NASA article.
  • Participants clarify that the images referenced are artist's impressions rather than actual photographs from the Webb telescope.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the event, with some agreeing on the general characteristics of the star and planet while others emphasize the model-dependent nature of the findings. No consensus is reached regarding the implications of the observations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion relies on assumptions made in the modeling process, and there are unresolved details regarding the dynamics of the planetary engulfment event.

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"NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope’s observations of what is thought to be the first ever recorded planetary engulfment event revealed a hot accretion disk surrounding the star, with an expanding cloud of cooler dust enveloping the scene. Webb also revealed that the star did not swell to swallow the planet, but the planet’s orbit actually slowly decayed over time."

https://webbtelescope.org/contents/media/images/2025/117/01JR8HQ5MZTSG07EBWNBPYJADH

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Tom
 
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Can you talk us through in a bit more detail what is going on in #3 and #4?
 
More detail here. The planet was roughly Jupiter sized and heavily disrupted by repeated grazing impacts with the stellar atmosphere, which is what's supposed to be depicted in (3). The final impact flung ejecta into space, some of which settled into a ring (4).

Note that the images are artists' impressions, not Webb photos.

Original journal article (which I haven't read yet) here: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/adb429
 
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The journal article says the star was in the Sun's mass range and the planet was probably less than ten times Jupiter's mass. The star appears to be cooler and dimmer than the Sun, so unlikely to have engulfed the planet as part of an expansion into a red giant. Hence it was probably orbital decay.

The rest of the paper seems to be a lot of modelling talk. There seem to be a good few assumptions feeding into the model, so I suspect the details are rather more model-dependent than the NASA article would suggest. Figure 9 (in section 4) is a less arty version of what their best fit says things look like pre- and post- event.
 
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