Fluid problem -- Piston moving in an oil-filled cylinder

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The discussion revolves around a fluid mechanics problem involving a piston moving within an oil-filled cylinder. The problem includes parameters such as the dimensions of the piston and cylinder, the kinematic viscosity of the oil, and the speed of the piston. Participants are tasked with calculating shear force and friction opposing the motion of the piston.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between dynamic viscosity and kinematic viscosity, questioning how to calculate dynamic viscosity from specific gravity. There is exploration of the forces acting on the piston, particularly regarding the tangential forces and their application in the context of the problem. Some participants seek clarification on the interpretation of friction opposing the motion of the piston.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the calculations involved, such as the area of contact and the velocity gradient. There are multiple interpretations being explored, particularly regarding the forces acting on the piston and the correct application of formulas. Participants are actively questioning assumptions and definitions related to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the setup of the problem, particularly in calculating the space between the piston and cylinder and understanding the nature of the forces involved. The discussion reflects a learning process with participants clarifying their understanding of the concepts involved.

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Homework Statement


A piston 10 is coaxially in diameter moves within a cylinder whose inner diameter is 10.006 in;
The annular space between piston and cylinder is filled with oil having a kinematic viscosity is 0.004 feet ^ 2 / s and specific gravity of 0.85

If the piston makes its way with a speed of 30 ft / min and the length of the piston within the cylinder is 10 feet, calculate the shear force and the friction opposing the motion of the piston

Homework Equations



(tangencial force) / area = (dynamic viscosity) (velocity/space betwteen the two surfaces)

The Attempt at a Solution


I can know the dynamic viscosity of the equation kinematic viscosity = dynamic viscosity/density and the density it can be known from the specific gravit.

So if I draw a Diagram of piston, I have two tangent forces and the weight. But I know that (tangencial force) / area = (dynamic viscosity) (velocity/space betwteen the two surfaces) and the area of contact it can be calculated from 2(pi)(radio) (Lenght)?
 
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Queren Suriano said:

Homework Statement


A piston 10 is coaxially in diameter moves within a cylinder whose inner diameter is 10.006 in;
The annular space between piston and cylinder is filled with oil having a kinematic viscosity is 0.004 feet ^ 2 / s and specific gravity of 0.85

If the piston makes its way with a speed of 30 ft / min and the length of the piston within the cylinder is 10 feet, calculate the shear force and the friction opposing the motion of the piston
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Homework Equations



(tangencial force) / area = (dynamic viscosity) (velocity/space betwteen the two surfaces)

The Attempt at a Solution


I can know the dynamic viscosity of the equation kinematic viscosity = dynamic viscosity/density and the density it can be known from the specific gravit.

So if I draw a Diagram of piston, I have two tangent forces and the weight. But I know that (tangencial force) / area = (dynamic viscosity) (velocity/space betwteen the two surfaces) and the area of contact it can be calculated from 2(pi)(radio) (Lenght)?
It looks like you're on the right track, but where are there two tangent forces acting on the piston? I see only one.

What do you get for the dynamic viscosity?

What do you get for the distance between the two surfaces?

What do you get for the velocity/space between the two surfaces (in reciprocal seconds)?

What do you get for the tangential shear stress (i.e., (tangential force) / area)?

What do you get for the tangential force?

I don't understand what they mean by "friction opposing the motion of the piston"

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
It looks like you're on the right track, but where are there two tangent forces acting on the piston? I see only one.

What do you get for the dynamic viscosity?

What do you get for the distance between the two surfaces?

What do you get for the velocity/space between the two surfaces (in reciprocal seconds)?

What do you get for the tangential shear stress (i.e., (tangential force) / area)?

What do you get for the tangential force?

I don't understand what they mean by "friction opposing the motion of the piston"

Chet

With you answer I realized I don't have understand where act the tangent force, It acts in the area of the piston like a circle (bases of the piston) ?
 
Queren Suriano said:
With you answer I realized I don't have understand where act the tangent force, It acts in the area of the piston like a circle (bases of the piston) ?
No. It acts on the cylindrical surface of the piston. That's why you use 2πrL.

Chet
 
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Why it's only one?? Because there are many tangent forces acting in the contour of the cylinder?? or do you refer to the resultant??
 
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I calculated the dynamic viscosity it gives me 3.16 g / (cm -s). So Should I apply directly the equation
(tangencial force) / area = (dynamic viscosity) (velocity/space betwteen the two surfaces)

Because the area=2pi(R)(L)= 2pi (25.4 cm / 2) (304.8 cm)
velocity=15.24 cm/s
space between= 25.4152 cm - 25.4 =0.01520 cm
 
Queren Suriano said:
Why it's only one?? Because there are many tangent forces acting in the contour of the cylinder?? or do you refer to the resultant??
Yes. Just the resultant.
 
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Ok, thank you!
 
Queren Suriano said:
I calculated the dynamic viscosity it gives me 3.16 g / (cm -s). So Should I apply directly the equation
(tangencial force) / area = (dynamic viscosity) (velocity/space betwteen the two surfaces)

Because the area=2pi(R)(L)= 2pi (25.4 cm / 2) (304.8 cm)
velocity=15.24 cm/s
space between= 25.4152 cm - 25.4 =0.01520 cm
The space between is half of that. You took the difference between the diameters, and it should be the clearance, which is the difference between the radii. The velocity gradient in the gap should be 2000 reciprocal seconds.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
The velocity gradient in the gap should be 2000 reciprocal seconds.
You are right! Thank you!
 

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