Flux integral over ellipsoidal surface

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The discussion revolves around verifying the divergence theorem for a vector function defined in a three-part surface context, including a unit disk in the xy-plane, a cylindrical surface, and a portion of an ellipsoid. The participants are exploring the mathematical setup and integration techniques required for the problem.

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  • Participants discuss different coordinate systems, including cylindrical and spherical coordinates, to evaluate the flux integral. There are attempts to clarify the surface descriptions and notation used in the problem statement.

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Some participants have provided clarifications on the surface definitions and have suggested alternative parameterizations. There is ongoing exploration of the integration process, with some expressing confusion over the notation and setup.

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There are noted discrepancies in the original problem statement regarding the use of variables and surface definitions, leading to confusion among participants. The original poster has amended their post to clarify some of these points.

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Homework Statement



I am having trouble with part iii) of the following problem:

Verify the divergence theorem for the function ##\vec{u} = (xy,- y^2, + z)## and the surface enclosed by the three parts:
(i) ##z = 0, x^2+y^2 < 1##,
(ii) ##x^2+y^2 = 1, 0 \le z \le 1## and
(iii) ##(a^2-1)x^2+(a^2-1)y^2+z^2 = a^2 , 1 \le z \le a, a > 1##.

Homework Equations



Divergence theorem:

##\int_V\vec{ \nabla}\cdot\vec{u}~dV=\oint_{\partial v}\vec{u}\cdot\vec{dS}##

The Attempt at a Solution



The boundaries in iii) describe part of an ellipsoid. Rewrite the equation as follows:
##\frac{x^2}{(\frac{a}{\sqrt{a^2-1}})^2}+\frac{y^2}{(\frac{a}{\sqrt{a^2-1}})^2}+\frac{z^2}{a^2}=1##

LHS## = \int_0^{2\pi}\int_1^a\int_0^{\frac{z^2-a^2}{1-a^2}}\vec{ \nabla}\cdot\vec{u}~\rho~ d\rho ~dz ~d\theta##
##~~~~ = \int_0^{2\pi}\int_1^a\int_0^{\frac{z^2-a^2}{1-a^2}}\rho - \rho^2\sin{\theta}~ d\rho ~dz ~d\theta##
##~~~~=\frac{4\pi}{1-a^2}##

I think that is correct... maybe someone can check my setup.

I'm stuck with the RHS.. I tried to use cylindrical coordinates and it got ugly quickly, I tried to use generalised spherical coordinates but it got ugly equally as fast. I expect the process to be somewhat ugly, but mine is so much I feel for certain I'm doing something wrong. I'll give a brief overview of my strategy:

For cylindrical coordinates I tried to parameterize it as follows: ##\vec{r}(\theta,z)=(\frac{z^2-a^2}{1-a^2}\cos{\theta},\frac{z^2-a^2}{1-a^2}\sin{\theta},z)##. For starters I am not even sure if this is right. I then get the normal vector to this by computing: ##\vec{n}=\frac{\partial \vec{r}}{\partial \theta}\times\frac{\partial \vec{r}}{\partial z}##. Computing this and normalising i get: ##\hat{n}=\frac{(\cos{\theta},\sin{\theta},\frac{-2z}{1-a^2})}{\sqrt{1+\frac{4z^2}{(1-a^2)}}}##.Plugging all of this into the flux integral looks extremely messy and I don't think I will be able to do the integral. So I abort and resort to spherical coordinates...

For spherical coordinates I tried to parameterize it as follows: ##\vec{r}(\theta,\phi)= (\frac{a}{\sqrt{a^2-1}}\sin{\theta}\cos{\phi},\frac{a}{\sqrt{a^2-1}}\sin{\theta}\sin{\phi},a\cos{\theta})## and the rest of the story goes like the cylindrical one..Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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pondzo said:

Homework Statement



I am having trouble with part iii) of the following problem:

Verify the divergence theorem for the function ##\textbf{V} = xy \textbf{i} - y^2 \textbf{j} + z \textbf{k}## and the surface enclosed by the three parts (i) ##z = 0, s < 1, s^2 = x^2 + y^2##, (ii) ##s = 1, 0 \le z \le 1## and (iii) ##z^2 = a^2 + (1 - a^2)s^2, 1 \le z \le a, a > 1##.

I don't understand your use of ##s##. What is part (ii) ##s = 1, 0 \le z \le 1## supposed to describe?
 
I find the notation confusing too, this is my lecturers not mine. I assumed ##s^2=x^2+y^2## though out and hence ii) describes a cylinder of radius 1 and height 1.
 
If part (ii) is supposed to be ##x^2+y^2 = 1,~0\le z \le 1 ## then write it that way. Then while you are at it, write part (iii) out so it makes sense. Is part (i) supposed to be ##0\le x^2 + y^2 \le 1,~z = 0## ?
 
Apologies, I thought I might have been interpreting it in the wrong way so I left it just in case. I have amended the original post. And yes i) is the unit disk in the xy plane.
 
OK, that makes more sense. So for part (iii) if you let ##b^2 = \frac{a^2}{a^2-1}## your equation is$$
\frac{x^2}{b^2}+\frac{y^2}{b^2}+\frac{z^2}{a^2} = 1$$I haven't worked it out, but what I would try is$$
x = b\sin\phi\cos\theta,~y = b\sin\phi\sin\theta,~z = a\cos\phi$$

Edit, added: @pondzo: I realized after I posted this that it is what you tried for generalized spherical coordinates. For what it's worth, I calculated the integral with Maple and got$$
\frac{2\pi}{3}\left(\frac{a^6\sqrt{2a^2-1}}{(a^2-1)(1-2a^2)^2} \right)$$for (iii).
 
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