Difference of B-10(n,2a)H-3 cross section in ENDF/B

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences in the B-10(n,2a)H-3 reaction cross section between the ENDF/B-V and ENDF/B-VI databases, particularly at low neutron energies. Participants explore the implications of these differences for reliability and accuracy in nuclear data, referencing various measurements and other nuclear databases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a significant difference in the B-10(n,2a)H-3 reaction cross section between ENDF/B-V and ENDF/B-VI, with ENDF/B-V being 10 times less at neutron energies below 0.1 MeV.
  • Some participants suggest that later versions of ENDF are generally considered more accurate, but this is not universally accepted.
  • There is mention of discrepancies in measurements, with some papers indicating a 3 times difference at neutron energies around 5 MeV to 6 MeV.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of the databases, particularly regarding the military applications of H-3 and potential revisions in ENDF/B-V.
  • Participants discuss the total cross-section, clarifying that it includes total absorption and total scattering, and express confusion over its implications for judging reliability.
  • One participant emphasizes that the B-10(n,2a)H-3 cross section is significantly lower than other reactions, which may obscure differences in databases.
  • Another participant points out that the (n,tαα) reaction has a very low cross-section below 1 MeV, making it difficult to measure, and highlights the dominance of the (n,α) reaction in thermal spectra.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reliability of the ENDF databases, with some favoring the later versions while others raise concerns about potential inaccuracies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which version is more reliable.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the accuracy of the databases and the implications of total cross-section comparisons, which are not fully explored.

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In the research,it is found there is significant difference of B-10(n,2a)H-3 reaction cross section between ENDF/B-V and ENDF/B-VI (http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/).The cross section in ENDF/B-V is 10 times less than ENDF/B-VI when neutron energy E<0.1MeV(https://pic3.zhimg.com/e89e6ed65208bc4bcc2aa05bc635a39e_b.jpg). Some papers provide about 3 times difference in various measurement when neutron energy is at range 5MeV~6MeV(http://isinn.jinr.ru/proceedings/isinn-20/pdf/Ivanova.pdf).
Could someone explain these difference and recommend which version(ENDF/B) is more reliable? Thank you very much.
 
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Usually, the later or latest version of ENDF is considered correct, or more accurate.

One should also check other cross-sections and the total cross-section to see if they have changed. Sometimes, it's a matter improved experimental measurement.
 
Probably, the later the more accurate as Astronuc mentioned. Also in case you are going to use it from a simulation software, it seems triggering to not use it in your application unless there exists some literature that validated the software for your application of interest. Otherwise, you might be interested to validate your application yourself and make it a "literature".
 
Ibrahim Hany said:
Probably, the later the more accurate as Astronuc mentioned. Also in case you are going to use it from a simulation software, it seems triggering to not use it in your application unless there exists some literature that validated the software for your application of interest. Otherwise, you might be interested to validate your application yourself and make it a "literature".
Thanks your prompt reply. The B-10(n,2a)H-3 cross section in other nuclear datebase(e.g. JENDL-3.1, FENDL-4.0) and current ENDF/B-VII is more close to ENDF/B-VI.But it is said by someone that ENDF/B-V may be more accurate owing to military use of H-3(used in nuclear fusion weapon) and the cross section may have been revised somewhat before its released in public. I'm so confused.
 
Astronuc said:
Usually, the later or latest version of ENDF is considered correct, or more accurate.

One should also check other cross-sections and the total cross-section to see if they have changed. Sometimes, it's a matter improved experimental measurement.
Thank you for quick reply. Does total cross-section you mentioned mean sum of cross-section by each reaction(not include scattering)?
 
Pengtaofu said:
Thank you for quick reply. Does total cross-section you mentioned mean sum of cross-section by each reaction(not include scattering)?
The total cross-section includes total absorption + total scattering, so as not count the individual reaction cross-sections more than once.
 
Astronuc said:
Usually, the later or latest version of ENDF is considered correct, or more accurate.

One should also check other cross-sections and the total cross-section to see if they have changed. Sometimes, it's a matter improved experimental measurement.
Astronuc said:
The total cross-section includes total absorption + total scattering, so as not count the individual reaction cross-sections more than once.
Thank you very much for discussion. It is difficult to judge reliability by comparing total cross-section because total cross-section is same in the two version of datebase. In adddition, B-10(n,2a)H-3 cross section is tremendously less than other reaction, especiallly 3~4 order of magnitude less for thermal neutron(0.00056 barn of (n,2a+T)).So I think these tiny difference of B-10(n,2a)H-3 cross section in difference datebase will be hidden by other reaction of B-10.
Total cross section of B-10 reaction for thermal neutron(v=2200m/s) listed as below(http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/exfor/servlet/E4sGetEvaluation?Pen=2&EvalID=6374&req=482):
Reaction Sig(2200)
Total 3.84222E+03
Elastic 2.25043E+00
Inelas 0.00000E+00
n,gamma 4.99881E-01
n,p 5.66000E-04
n,d 0.00000E+00
n,alpha 3.83946E+03
 
Astronuc said:
The total cross-section includes total absorption + total scattering, so as not count the individual reaction cross-sections more than once.
Could you give me any more clues to further judge the reliability of nuclear database? thank you very much.
 
I would not be concerned about the (n,tαα) reaction with B-10 below a neutron energy of 1 MeV. It has a very low cross-section, which is about ~6 orders of magnitude (1.82E-6) less than the cross-section of the (n,α), so it would be hard to measure.

A common application for B-10 is as a burnable poison in LWRs, and in a thermal spectrum the (n,α) reaction dominates. The (n,tαα) reaction is only significant in a strong fast flux (E > 1 MeV), and even then, it would not be significant in an LWR environment.
 
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Astronuc said:
I would not be concerned about the (n,tαα) reaction with B-10 below a neutron energy of 1 MeV. It has a very low cross-section, which is about ~6 orders of magnitude (1.82E-6) less than the cross-section of the (n,α), so it would be hard to measure.

A common application for B-10 is as a burnable poison in LWRs, and in a thermal spectrum the (n,α) reaction dominates. The (n,tαα) reaction is only significant in a strong fast flux (E > 1 MeV), and even then, it would not be significant in an LWR environment.
Thanks very much for discussion.I will provide,later, some detailed calculation after consult with colleague doing nuclear design and fuel management.
 

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