Force as a function of velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the final velocity and time taken for a particle to travel a certain distance, given the force as a function of velocity. Participants explore the implications of this relationship within the context of motion equations and integration techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation relating force, mass, and velocity, suggesting a method to derive final velocity as a function of displacement and initial velocity.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the force function, asking for more context about the displacement and the nature of the force acting on the particle.
  • A participant clarifies that 's' refers to displacement and asserts that the force acts parallel to the velocity.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of a specific form for F(v) to proceed with calculations, indicating that limits of integration will involve distances and velocities rather than time.
  • One participant suggests using standard equations of motion if the force and mass are constant.
  • A participant reiterates their approach to calculating displacement and final velocity but expresses uncertainty about how to determine the time taken for the change in velocity.
  • Another participant proposes starting with the equation F(v) = m(dv/dt) as a potential method to address the time calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to calculate the time taken for the change in velocity, with multiple competing views and methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for a specific form of F(v) and the limitations of integration techniques without time variables. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the assumptions regarding the nature of the force and motion.

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I'm trying to find the final velocity and the time taken for a particle to tavel a certain distance. I know the initial velocity and displacement and the force as a function of the velocity.

Using: F = ma so \frac{F(v)}{m} = v \frac{dv}{ds}

so: \int ds = m \int v \frac{dv}{F(v)}

Rearanging and using limts gives final velocity as a function of dispacement and initial velocity. However I am unsure about how to calculate the time taken for this displacement?
 
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your force looks like its a function of 's' more than v. What is 's'? Is this the only force acting? Is the direction of motion parallel to the direction of the force...etc...
 
s is the displacement, sorry. and using a = v \frac{dv}{ds} you get the equation above. The Force only acts in one direcion and the force acts parallel to the velocity.
 
I'm still missing the context for this. You won't be able to do anything without a specific form for F(v) and your limits of integration won't have times, they'll have distances and velocities. Are you trying to derive some general expression?
 
If the force is constant, and so is mass, then why not use standard equations of motion?
 
I have an equation which describes force as a function of the velocity of the particle, and using \int ds = m \int v \frac{dv}{F(v)} can calculate the displacement of the particle, using limits for the velocity.

Or, if re-arranged, the final velocity can be calculated if the change in displacement and initial velocity is known.

However what I also need to calculate is the time taken for the change in velocity. Which this equation can't do, is the an equation to calculate this?

Hope this makes more sense.
 
Well I suppose you could start with F(v)=m\frac{dv}{dt} and do something similar.
 
ah, of course! Thanks! :)
 

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