Force due to wind and rolling friction on van

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The problem involves analyzing the forces acting on a minivan coasting on a straight, level road while towing a boat and carrying windsurfing equipment. The objective is to determine the force due to wind and rolling friction at a specific speed of 44.17 mph, given the vehicle's mass and weight.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find instantaneous acceleration from a graph, with one expressing uncertainty about how to derive this from the graph. There is mention of using the derivative and drawing a tangent line to find the slope at a specific point.

Discussion Status

The discussion is focused on understanding how to calculate instantaneous acceleration from a graph. Some participants have provided guidance on drawing a tangent line to determine the slope, while others are still grappling with the concept of deriving a function from a graphical representation.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the resources they can use. There is an emphasis on understanding the graphical representation of motion and its implications for calculating forces.

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Homework Statement


The graph shows the speed as a function of time for a minivan, coasting on neutral along a straight, level road, loaded with windsurfing equipment and towing a boat. The total mass is 2500 kg, weight= 5512lbs. Find the size of the force due to wind and rolling friction when the van speed is 44.17 mph. (1 mph=0.447m/s)


Homework Equations


F=ma


The Attempt at a Solution


I don't think anyone needs to see the graph to understand my problem. Well I hope.

I understand that a= delta v/delta t. But whenever I use the equation I get an acceleration that does not work. Then I thought that since the equation wants the force at 44.17 mph, that I need to find the instantaneous acceleration.

That's my problem: I don't know how to get the instantaneous acceleration. At 44.17 mph the time is at 19 s. Should I create a derivative. If so, how do I go about it?

The answer for this problem is 764 N

Please tell me why my approach is incorrect.
 
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fruitl00p said:
That's my problem: I don't know how to get the instantaneous acceleration. At 44.17 mph the time is at 19 s. Should I create a derivative. If so, how do I go about it?


That's right, calculate the instantaneous acceleration by finding the derivative of the graph at the given time. You must be able to find a way to do that (draw a tangtent).

Good luck!
 
da_willem, that is my problem. I do not know how to find the derivative of the graph. If I am given a derivative, I can do it; but to look at a graph and create one I just don't know.
 
In the graph you draw a line tangential to a point where you want to know the derivative (a 'tangent line'). The derivative in that point is now the 'slope' of this line, i.e. a vertical interval ([itex]\Delta v[/tex]) divided by a corresponding horizontal interval ([itex]\Delta t[/tex]): ([itex]\Delta v /\Delta t[/tex]).[/itex][/itex][/itex]
 
I got it now. Thank you da_willem
 

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