Forced to use symmetry to solve this double integral?

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The discussion revolves around a double integral involving symmetry in the context of evaluating integrals over semi-circular regions in the xy-plane. Participants are examining the implications of symmetry on the limits of integration and the evaluation of the integral itself.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the specific symmetry used in the problem, particularly why the integration is limited to one semi-circle and the rationale behind the factor of 2 in the integral. There is also inquiry into the correctness of the integral presented in the remark and the conditions under which it may be evaluated.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the reasoning behind the use of symmetry and the evaluation of the integral. Some guidance has been offered regarding the careful evaluation of square roots, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the integral in question.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings about the limits of integration and the properties of square roots, indicating a need for clarity on these assumptions in the context of the problem.

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The author writes: "Now, using symmetry, we have..."

But what symmetry does the author use? Also, I got the integral as shown in the remark but why is it wrong?
 
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ainster31 said:

Homework Statement



http://i.imgur.com/d4ViHux.png

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The Attempt at a Solution



The author writes: "Now, using symmetry, we have..."

But what symmetry does the author use? Also, I got the integral as shown in the remark but why is it wrong?

The symmetry that's used is only to integrate over only one semi-circle in the xy-plane, and not the other. That's why θ only ranges from 0 to π/2, not all the way to π. That's also why there is a factor of 2 in front of the integral: because the integral over one semi-circle should be exactly equal to the integral over the other one. This is because the portion of the hemisphere is that is above one semi-circle is equal in volume to the portion that is above the other: one portion is just the reflection of the other one across the y-axis. That is the symmetry.
 
cepheid said:
The symmetry that's used is only to integrate over only one semi-circle in the xy-plane, and not the other. That's why θ only ranges from 0 to π/2, not all the way to π. That's also why there is a factor of 2 in front of the integral: because the integral over one semi-circle should be exactly equal to the integral over the other one. This is because the portion of the hemisphere is that is above one semi-circle is equal in volume to the portion that is above the other: one portion is just the reflection of the other one across the y-axis. That is the symmetry.


Alright, but why is the integral shown in the remark incorrect?
 
What did you get when you evaluated it? The integral isn't incorrect, but you have to be careful when evaluating it to get the correct result.
 
ainster31 said:
Alright, but why is the integral shown in the remark incorrect?
You have to be careful whenever you 'execute' a square root. √(x2) is not the same as x.
 

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