Four Equidistant Particles in electric fields

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The discussion centers on calculating the net electric field at the center of a square formed by four charged particles with specific charges: q1 = 7.59 nC, q2 = -10.9 nC, q3 = 11.5 nC, and q4 = -6.06 nC, positioned at a distance of 0.065 m from the center. The participants clarify that electric fields are vector quantities and cannot be summed using scalar addition. Instead, they must be added as vectors, taking into account their directions, which requires resolving the electric fields into their components.

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  • #31
C6ZR1 said:
ok so I found that with the formula F=kq1q2/r^2 in the diagonal direction where the charges are being repulsed that F= 6.50731 E-15 and diagonal direction where charge are drawn inward F=-37.1554, if my calculations are correct, would I just take the dot product and multiply them together to get the magnitude?

Sorry, C6ZR1, but you seem clueless as to what a vector is. :redface:

You don't add two perpendicular vectors by taking their dot product.

Let's try this …

If I add a vector of 3 in the x direction to 4 in the y direction, what do i get?​
 
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  • #32
well that would be 3i+4j, correct?

Would I do the cross product?
 
  • #33
C6ZR1 said:
well that would be 3i+4j, correct?
That's correct for adding the vectors tiny-tim asked about.
Would I do the cross product?
tiny-tim is telling you to add the Electric Field due to each charge, adding them as vectors. There is NO product involved in that operation. It's adding, not multiplying.
 
  • #34
ok I think I'm completely lost. :confused:

I find the electric field from each charge:

E1= (8.99E9*1.602E-19*7.59E-9) /(0.065)^2= 2.58724 E-15 C

E2= (8.99E9*1.602E-19*-1.09E-8) /(0.065)^2= -3.71554 E-15 C

E3= (8.99E9*1.602E-19*1.15E8) /(0.065)^2= 39.2007 C

E4= (8.99E9*1.602E-19*-6.06E-9) /(0.065)^2= -2.0657E-15 C


Would I resolve them into their components? ie. E1= cos(45)2.58724 E-15 C+sin(45)2.58724 E-15 C etc?

Sorry for the trouble, I don't know why I'm not comprehending this :redface:
 
  • #35
Hi C6ZR1! :wink:

(just got up :zzz: …)
C6ZR1 said:
well that would be 3i+4j, correct?

yes :smile:
Would I do the cross product?

why? :confused:

as SammyS :smile: says, 3i+4j is the answer

when you add 3i to 4j (as vectors), the answer is 3i+4j

(obviously, it's more complicated if the two vectors aren't perpendicular :wink:)

(alternatively, you can say that it's 5 in the direction whose tan is 4/3)
 
  • #36
the thing is for the answer it says

Number: ____ N/C or V/m

and I cannot use vector letters, that's what is confusing me
 
  • #37
yes, the question asks for the magnitude of the total field, which is of course a scalar (not a vector) …

you get this by adding the individual fields as vectors, so that gives you the a total vector, and then you write down the magnitude of that vector

(in our example, the total vector was 3i+4j, and so the magnitude was 5)
 
  • #38
ohhhhhhhhhhhh ok. This makes sense now. lol Thanks for your time and help. Physics is starting to make more sense now :smile:
 

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