Frequency on Waves and Tension Quick Question

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of piano strings vibrating at a specific frequency and the concept of beats in wave phenomena. The original poster is exploring the relationship between frequency and tension in strings, particularly in the context of tuning two strings that are slightly out of tune.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the tension in the strings to their frequencies using equations for wave velocity and tension. Some participants suggest using the relationship between frequency and tension to find the necessary adjustments for tuning.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the relationships between frequency, tension, and wave properties. There is a focus on deriving equations and understanding the implications of beat frequencies, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations or methods to apply.

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There is mention of specific values related to frequency and the observed beat frequency, as well as the challenge of calculating the percentage change in tension needed for tuning. The discussion includes references to equations and principles relevant to wave mechanics and string behavior.

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1. Two piano strings are supposed to be vibrating at 128 Hz, but a piano tuner hear three beats every 2 seconds when they're played together

a) If one is vibrating at 128 Hz, what must be the difference between their frequencies?
Answer - 3 Beats Per Two Seconds, Frequency Diff = 1.5

b) By how much in percent must the tension be increased or decreased to bring them in tune?

-- B is where I'm stuck on. I have the two equations v= lambda x frequency and
velocity = sqrt ( Tension / mass per length )

So I set both of them equal to each other and found that the Tension is proportional to the Frequency Squared?? I'm not sure if this is the right direction :( And if it is I tried putting in the number percent but it didn't work ( Sqrt 1.5 )
 
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You have standing waves in the string. The wavelength is determined by the length of the string.
L= n (lambda/2) if it's fixed at both ends.

lambda= v/f and use v=sqrt(T/linear density)

solve these to get frequency as a function of T .

You know the relative change in frequency (1.5/128) so you can calculate the relative change in tension.
 
There is an equation that shows how the "beat" frequencies occur. If you've got two sine waves, sin(A) and sin(B), and A is different from B, there's a trig identity that allows you to add them together and find sin(A + B). If you know the beat frequency and A, you can find B.
 

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