Friction Challenge Problem - Finding Distance Required To Stop.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a car's stopping distance on an inclined ramp, considering the effects of friction and gravitational forces. Participants explore the application of physics concepts to solve the problem, including forces, energy, and trigonometry.

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  • One participant describes the need to calculate the stopping distance for a car given its mass, speed, incline angle, and coefficient of friction, expressing uncertainty about the correct approach.
  • Another participant suggests using a coordinate system aligned with the ramp to simplify the analysis of forces, indicating that the sum of forces in the y direction is zero.
  • A different participant explains the relationship between kinetic energy and work done by friction, emphasizing the need to account for the incline when calculating the frictional force and stopping distance.
  • One participant offers a brief, dismissive comment suggesting that the problem is straightforward, without elaborating on the reasoning.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem, with varying levels of detail and complexity in their suggestions. Some express uncertainty, while others provide differing methods of analysis.

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Participants mention the need for trigonometric calculations to resolve forces due to the incline, but do not specify the exact mathematical steps or assumptions required to complete the solution.

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I need help finding the answer for this physics problem that I have to do.

A 2,345kg car is traveling down a highway entrance ramp, at an angle of 5.74 degree at 65 miles/hours and slams on its brakes to keep from hitting another car. If the coefficient of friction between the tires and the roads is 0.403, what is the distance required to stop?

According to one of my friend, he found the Applied Force and Normal Force, and then Friction Force. Afterward he did Net Force and he is just stuck.

I'm not completely sure how to do this problem or even know what friction formula to use for it to be correct.
Help. Thanks.
 
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Easiest way to do this is to have your x coordinate run along the ramp, and y perpendicular. That way, gravity doesn't point along y, but you only have to deal with one constraint. Specifically, sum of all forces in y direction is zero, because the car can neither fall through ground nor fly off.

The two forces along y are the component of gravity perpendicular to road and the normal force. Use this fact to find normal force, and use that to find friction.

That leaves you with two forces in x direction. There is friction and the x component of gravity. Add them together, and you have your acceleration in x direction, which you can use to compute stopping distance.
 
The speeding car has a certain amount of kinetic energy = 1/2(mv2).
The action of the braking friction needs to "eat up" all that kinetic energy, and it does so by performing work against the car's kinetic energy, so that work is (Frictional Force) x (Distance over which the friction is acting).

Frictional force is related to the weight of the car acting on the pavement x the coefficient of friction. But because there's an incline, you need to do some trigonometry to figure out what the component of the car's weight is acting down the slope. Also you need the trig to figure out the actual vector of the car's weight acting on the pavement so you get the frictional force calculated correctly.

If the car were not on an incline, then you would simply equate the kinetic energy of the car with the work done by the friction and solve for the stopping distance. But because the car is on an incline, some of the car's weight is working to negate some of the frictional force.

I hope that helps.
 
It's not that hard man!
 

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