Friction Coefficient, F1 corners

In summary, the conversation discusses using the tyre friction equation to calculate the downforce required for each corner of the Gilles Villeneuve circuit in Canada. It mentions that the value of mu, which represents the tyre friction coefficient, can vary from corner to corner and lead to negative values for downforce. The conversation also explores different factors that can affect the friction coefficient, such as lateral grip, braking, and acceleration. Finally, the conversation recommends a book by Carrol Smith to gain a better understanding of the concept.
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I am using the tyre friction equation Fc=mu*Fnormal to calculate the downforce required for each corner of the Gilles Villeneuve circuit in Canada.

Fnormal composes of the downforce and weight of the car.

mu has a maximum value of 1.7, however this value will vary from corner to corner right?

this is resulting in negative values for downforce in some corners.

Does anyone know a way of calculating the tyre friction coefficient for each corner without needing the Fnormal force?

All of my calculations are on the attached excel spreadsheet.
 

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Could you explain a mechanism that the friction coefficient could change from corner to corner?
Where did you get your value of 1.7?

It sounds like you are assuming the car is at the limit of it's lateral grip for every corner, through the entire corner.
Lateral grip is decreased during braking or acceleration.
Downforce is a function of forward velocity.
Racecars do not follow a circular arc around corners or have constant speed.

Carrol Smiths "Tune to win' is a great, easy reading book that'll clear up some misconceptions.
 
  • #3
Remember that the friction equation you are using says,

Ffriction <= mu * Fnormal

The friction force can certainly be less than the product mu * Fnormal.
 

What is the friction coefficient?

The friction coefficient is a measure of the amount of friction between two surfaces in contact. It is a dimensionless quantity that describes the ratio of the force required to move one surface over the other to the force pressing the two surfaces together.

How is the friction coefficient determined?

The friction coefficient is determined experimentally by measuring the amount of force required to move one surface over the other at a constant speed. The coefficient is then calculated by dividing the measured force by the weight of the object pressing the two surfaces together.

What is the importance of knowing the friction coefficient?

Knowing the friction coefficient is important in many practical applications, such as designing machinery, predicting the behavior of vehicles on different surfaces, and understanding the forces involved in sliding or rolling objects. It also helps in determining the efficiency and safety of various materials and surfaces in contact with each other.

What factors affect the friction coefficient?

The friction coefficient can be affected by various factors such as the roughness of the surfaces, the materials involved, the speed and temperature of the contact, and the amount of force pressing the surfaces together. Additionally, the presence of lubricants or contaminants can also affect the friction coefficient.

How does the friction coefficient impact F1 corners in racing?

The friction coefficient plays a crucial role in F1 corners as it affects the performance and handling of the car. A higher friction coefficient allows for better traction and control, while a lower coefficient can result in less grip and potentially cause the car to slide or spin out. Therefore, F1 teams carefully consider the friction coefficient of the track surface when determining their tire selection and race strategy.

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