Friction force direction question

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a block sliding on a frictionless ramp with another block resting on top, focusing on the direction of the friction force acting on the upper block. The context is within the study of forces, motion, and friction in a physics setting.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the direction of the friction force and its relationship to the motion of the blocks. There are discussions about the implications of friction on the movement of block B and whether it can maintain constant speed without slipping.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the assumptions regarding the forces acting on block B and the implications of those forces on its motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between speed and acceleration, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing examination of the forces involved, including gravity and normal force, and how they interact with the frictional force. Participants are also considering the implications of the blocks moving with acceleration versus constant velocity.

SidewaysA
Messages
4
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Block A slides on a frictionless ramp, as shown (in the attachment). At the instant, the block is moving up the ramp with speed V. Block B rests on top of A, and does not slip, due to friction between A and B. What is the direction of the friction force acting on B?


Homework Equations



F=ma


The Attempt at a Solution



In order for the block B to move it has to have a net force on it, so I assume that the only way for this to happen is if the frictional force is directed up the ramp?
 

Attachments

  • PQ.png
    PQ.png
    15.6 KB · Views: 472
Physics news on Phys.org
SidewaysA said:
In order for the block B to move it has to have a net force on it, so I assume that the only way for this to happen is if the frictional force is directed up the ramp?

The force of friction acts along the plane of contact between the blocks. This plane is horizontal, so the force of friction has to be horizontal, but it can be directed to the right or to the left. Which one?
There is also a vertical force that rises block B. Where does it come from?

ehild
 
In order to move to the left, it'd have to have a force of friction to the direction of the left. However, wouldn't that imply that it'd accelerate instead of going at constant speed? I assumed that in order for block B to not fall off, it'd have to have the same speed/acceleration. In this case, is the normal force on B not equal to the force of gravity on B?
 
SidewaysA said:
In order to move to the left, it'd have to have a force of friction to the direction of the left. However, wouldn't that imply that it'd accelerate instead of going at constant speed? I assumed that in order for block B to not fall off, it'd have to have the same speed/acceleration. In this case, is the normal force on B not equal to the force of gravity on B?

You do not need force for moving with constant velocity. The blocks move with some acceleration, and the force is needed to accelerate them. The blocks move upward on the slope, but what is the direction of acceleration?
Block B has both horizontal and vertical components of acceleration. The resultant of the normal force and gravity has to be equal to its vertical acceleration times mass.
But friction is only involved in the horizontal component of acceleration: is the direction to the right or to the left?

ehild
 
The direction of the frictional force would have to be towards the left.
 
That would mean acceleration upward along the slope. What is the acceleration of an object along a slope if you give an initial upward push to it? Imagine a ball kicked so as it stays on the ground. It will move upward, but will it move with increasing speed?

ehild
 
So the speed is to the left, but the acceleration is to the right in this case?
 
Is there any clue in the question to suggest the masses are being acted on only by gravity?
 
SidewaysA said:
So the speed is to the left, but the acceleration is to the right in this case?

Yes, it is.

ehild
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
61
Views
4K
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
2K
  • · Replies 37 ·
2
Replies
37
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
4K