Frictional coin sliding on turntable

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The problem involves a coin placed on a turntable, analyzing the conditions under which it will remain stationary relative to the turntable as it spins. The subject area includes concepts of friction, circular motion, and angular velocity.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the forces acting on the coin, including the role of static friction and the normal force. There are attempts to derive equations relating angular velocity to the forces involved, with some questioning the calculations and conversions necessary to find the maximum rpm.

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There is mention of specific values for mass, radius, and coefficients of friction, which are critical to the calculations. Participants are also navigating the conversion between different units of angular velocity.

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A 5.0 g coin is placed 22 cm from the center of a turntable. The coin has static and kinetic coefficients of friction with the turntable surface of µs = 0.80 and µk = 0.50. What is the maximum rpm that the turntable could speed up to without the coin sliding off?



m = .005 kg
r = .22 m
µs = 0.8

Equations found..
v = angular velocity * r
Force(net) = m(v)^2 / r

Inertia > µs N when coin slips (?)

I believe this gets set equal to mg (Normal Force) but I haven't been able to generate the correct answer multiplying µs as a coefficient of either side.

I'm not sure what isn't being accounted for, what do I do?
 
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Looks like you have the right idea. slipping occurs when force > us*N.

can you show your calculations for angular velocity?
 
m(ω * r)^2 / r

simplifies to => m(r)(ω)^2

so,
mg * µs = m(r)(ω)^2 (?)
 
Umphreak89 said:
m(ω * r)^2 / r

simplifies to => m(r)(ω)^2

so,
mg * µs = m(r)(ω)^2 (?)

yes, solve for w. what do you get? you have to convert to rpm afterwards also.
 
(.005)(9.8)(.8) = (.005)(.22)(ω)^2
=> (9.8)(.8) = (.22)(ω)^2
=> 7.84 / .22 = ω^2
=> ω = (7.84 / .22)^(1/2) = 5.969

then I'm not sure how to convert this to rpms..
but, 5.969 / r = 27.134, where r = .22, which isn't right
 
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Umphreak89 said:
(.005)(9.8)(.8) = (.005)(.22)(ω)^2
=> (9.8)(.8) = (.22)(ω)^2
=> 7.84 / .22 = ω^2
=> ω = (7.84 / .22)^(1/2) = 5.969

then I'm not sure how to convert this to rpms..

first convert to revolutions/second. 1 revolution = 2*pi radians.

then convert to revolutions/minute by multiplying by 60.
 

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